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How nature works
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Phil Henshaw
2003-11-24 03:30:05 UTC
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How nature works can be approached several ways. Physics
conventionally studies the universal properties of things and how those
properties are mathematically related and evolve. Temporal physics
studies the unique local properties of things their properties and how
they evolve.

A couple problems of temporal physics:

Why are natural systems resilient? You could use the tautological
argument of evolution that only what is resilient survives to be
observed, so that's all we observe. You might more constructively
observe that the resources for one thing are the by-products of others
(interdependence) and that these tokens are exchanged through common
mediums; blood, pond, niche, air, ocean, land etc. This creates a
general condition of abundance, where things that rely on each other can
also operate quite independently.

When does property emergence occur? Organization is the source of
properties, and organization always starts small and develops. One
typical evidence of organizational development is emerging continuity,
time traces displaying successive derivatives of the same sign (growth
trend), indicating systemization.
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Uncle Al
2003-11-24 16:22:59 UTC
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Post by Phil Henshaw
How nature works can be approached several ways.
[snip]

Two limiting ways: Science (empirical constraints on mathematical
models) or religion (faith). Only one gives you accurate predictions.
Post by Phil Henshaw
Why are natural systems resilient?
[snip]

Flat equilibria. Unstable systems do not persist. What you see is
the bottom of the barrel or a stable orbit.
Post by Phil Henshaw
When does property emergence occur?
Look at the math. Algebra and analytic geomtry are united by Euler's
equation.
Post by Phil Henshaw
Organization is the source of
properties,
Icosahdral alloys, amorphous metals, glass, concrete, rubber...
There's nothing wrong with being random. "Organized" rubber is gutta
percha. It isn't rubbery.
Post by Phil Henshaw
and organization always starts small and develops.
Bullshit. You are confusing hierarchies of scale with hierarchies of
organization. Honeycomb paneling is made of atoms, but atoms are
irrelevant to honeycomb paneling engineering. Circuits built of chips
don't care what is inside the chips, including a very small and
well-trained elf if you so desire. All the circuit designer cares
about is properties at the connecting feet. A Gunn diode simply is.
A magnetron needs more strucural work. They both output microaves.
Post by Phil Henshaw
One
typical evidence of organizational development is emerging continuity,
time traces displaying successive derivatives of the same sign (growth
trend), indicating systemization.
Buncha crap. Proximity is not causality. Phase-lagged oscillatory
phenomena are the rule rather than the exception, predator-prey
relationships to AC electrical systems to macroeconomic booms and
busts, weather and seasons, magnetic pole reversal in Earth and in the
sun...
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Phil Henshaw
2003-11-25 02:31:36 UTC
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Post by Uncle Al
Post by Phil Henshaw
How nature works can be approached several ways.
[snip]
Two limiting ways: Science (empirical constraints on mathematical
models) or religion (faith). Only one gives you accurate predictions.
Ecology isn't religion... Despite allowing less mathematical rigor than
some fields, close observation still generates good questions and useful
insights. My interest is in studying the process history of individual
physical events, giving special attention to distributed processes that
form part of the sequence. It's a little like ecology.
Post by Uncle Al
and organization always starts small and develops.
Bullshit. You are confusing hierarchies of scale with hierarchies of
organization. Honeycomb paneling is made of atoms, but atoms are
irrelevant to honeycomb paneling engineering. Circuits built of chips
don't care what is inside the chips, including a very small and
well-trained elf if you so desire. All the circuit designer cares
about is properties at the connecting feet. A Gunn diode simply is.
A magnetron needs more strucural work. They both output microaves.
In man made things the making a building is a good example. Small
actions begin the process and set the stage for larger ones which then
set the stage for smaller ones again. Each stage is a necessary
precursor to the next. It's both a hierarchy of scales and types of
organization.



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