Knoppix Operating System :-)

[Physfitfreak]

I recently installed Linux Mint on an old computer. After going through
issues with needed graphics card drivers and mouse issues that partially
disabled it I fetched my old CD and floppies box to get my Knoppix CD
that I had made I think 15 years back. I had made that CD as a back up
tool to access my files on a Windows machine (probably WinXP) in case it
wouldn't boot in Windows, cause it had started to give me issues.

What I feared happened eventually, and that CD saved my ass. The
computer had in it many newly-worked-on program files that I was
developing for inventory control for some Chinese electronics company.
Weeks of extremely careful work was saved in that way. I simply booted
the computer from DVD driver and Knoppix version of linux came up right
away, able to see, and copy any program on the hard drive to a USB flash
drive.

This type of Windows failure happened one more time a few years later,
but when I used that Knoppix CD, this time it could not see the files on
hard drive. That old version could only see a certain type of file
system, and my new computer had a different type of file system on it.

So it failed me the second time.

I got that same CD last night to try and see how it compares with the
Linux Mint that I had installed on the hard drive. The knoppix came on
fast but again, although could sense the existence of a storage device
that was my hard drive, could not see the contents. The file system was
different.

So I got online and download the iso file for the latest version (9.1)
and using one of the preinstalled Linux Mint apps ("USB Image Writer")
created a bootable Knoppix on a 16 gb flash drive. In Windows also the
process is as easy and similar. Then booted the computer via USB and a
much faster and nicer and extremely more tailor-made Knoppix jumped on
my screen, able to see and access everything on my hard drive and other
flash drives inserted.

The amount of preinstalled apps on it, and the ease with which it
installed, without giving any problems, made me aware that it was indeed
an OS targeting the general public.

Knoppix is very fast because after boot up the whole OS will exist
inside RAM memory.

Then after messing with it, while wondering how headache-less it was
compared to Windows (and macOS) it occurred to me that with a large
enough capacity flash drive you don't even have to have an HDD or SSD on
your system anymore! Computers become cheaper, coming without such
drives. Only the RAM must be high enough to contain the entire OS inside
itself to run from there, probably as fast as SSDs. And the flash drive
should have large capacity in case RAM capacity isn't large enough on
the computer.

I don't know how reliable a flash drive is, but you can always back up
your files in another flash drive :)

Knoppix has impressed me, cause it has important potentials. It might
eventually destroy the general public market for Windows and macOS. Bye
bye perpetual "update" headaches that general public go through in their
homes. Bye bye "activation" pile of crap. Bye bye "sudo this and sudo
that" type of nonsensical nitty gritty done at command level Linux,
stuff that only minions with a "computer science" degree should concern
themselves with, not the general public who've got better things to do
in their lives.

With Knoppix you will never need to go to a terminal, although it's
there if you're adventurous or have the skills. And it can use DOS
software as well in its included DOS emulation.

Free, fast, and very simple and quick installation, and packed with
already installed apps for everything you might need. It even has Maxima
and Step ready to use for you (Linux Mint can have them too of course,
but they don't come preinstalled); these two apps are pure gold for
scientists and students alike. High school as well as university level
workhorses.

All Microsoft Office products have equivalents in the free LibreOffice
collection of software which come preinstalled in Knoppix. There are
apps already installed that teach you various languages, anatomy, bones,
history, vocabularies in various languages, all in the form of flash
cards that you can practice with. Also installed are a few apps for
programming. A member of general public will almost never need to
install anything else on it.

It was developed in Germany by Klaus Knopper. So the big tech could not
harass (or perhaps outright threaten) him for an OS that would make
Windows and macOS, together with HDD and SSD's in computers, obsolete
and unnecessary to have for the general public.

I intend to gradually migrate to totally doing away with Windows and
hard drives for my computers at home, and simply use Knoppix from then
on. If it turns out it's not made for compiling and executing computer
programs, then I always have my old powerful S20 ThinkStation to go to
:) A couple of years back I tried installing Linux Mint on that one, but
turned out it wouldn't work. I switched back to Windows, and I think for
heavy programming and compiling and running, Windows is still the best
if you do that at home. At work, a Unix machine could handle that easily
(they're really made with doing just that in mind). But Linux and
certainly Knoppix would not work well in that area. At least this is
what I suspect at this point. I have to try it myself to see.

At workplace, i.e., the business market, big tech rules because the
former need capabilities that only Windows and macOS (and Unix) have.
But at home, no matter who you are, Knoppix is all you need to use with
your computer. You will buy lots of cheap high capacity USB flash drives
and will max the RAM your computer can handle, and then you will remove
your obsolete HDD and SSD from your computer and keep them as curiosity
items from years gone by :)

Large capacity flash drives and RAM, and Knoppix OS, will free you from
paying for and having Windows and macOS forever.

[Physfit Freak]

Post by Physfitfreak
I recently installed Linux Mint on an old computer. After going through
issues with needed graphics card drivers and mouse issues that partially
disabled it I fetched my old CD and floppies box to get my Knoppix CD
that I had made I think 15 years back. I had made that CD as a back up
tool to access my files on a Windows machine (probably WinXP) in case it
wouldn't boot in Windows, cause it had started to give me issues.
What I feared happened eventually, and that CD saved my ass. The
computer had in it many newly-worked-on program files that I was
developing for inventory control for some Chinese electronics company.
Weeks of extremely careful work was saved in that way. I simply booted
the computer from DVD driver and Knoppix version of linux came up right
away, able to see, and copy any program on the hard drive to a USB flash
drive.
This type of Windows failure happened one more time a few years later,
but when I used that Knoppix CD, this time it could not see the files on
hard drive. That old version could only see a certain type of file
system, and my new computer had a different type of file system on it.
So it failed me the second time.
I got that same CD last night to try and see how it compares with the
Linux Mint that I had installed on the hard drive. The knoppix came on
fast but again, although could sense the existence of a storage device
that was my hard drive, could not see the contents. The file system was
different.
So I got online and download the iso file for the latest version (9.1)
and using one of the preinstalled Linux Mint apps ("USB Image Writer")
created a bootable Knoppix on a 16 gb flash drive. In Windows also the
process is as easy and similar. Then booted the computer via USB and a
much faster and nicer and extremely more tailor-made Knoppix jumped on
my screen, able to see and access everything on my hard drive and other
flash drives inserted.
The amount of preinstalled apps on it, and the ease with which it
installed, without giving any problems, made me aware that it was indeed
an OS targeting the general public.
Knoppix is very fast because after boot up the whole OS will exist
inside RAM memory.
Then after messing with it, while wondering how headache-less it was
compared to Windows (and macOS) it occurred to me that with a large
enough capacity flash drive you don't even have to have an HDD or SSD on
your system anymore! Computers become cheaper, coming without such
drives. Only the RAM must be high enough to contain the entire OS inside
itself to run from there, probably as fast as SSDs. And the flash drive
should have large capacity in case RAM capacity isn't large enough on
the computer.
I don't know how reliable a flash drive is, but you can always back up
your files in another flash drive :)
Knoppix has impressed me, cause it has important potentials. It might
eventually destroy the general public market for Windows and macOS. Bye
bye perpetual "update" headaches that general public go through in their
homes. Bye bye "activation" pile of crap. Bye bye "sudo this and sudo
that" type of nonsensical nitty gritty done at command level Linux,
stuff that only minions with a "computer science" degree should concern
themselves with, not the general public who've got better things to do
in their lives.
With Knoppix you will never need to go to a terminal, although it's
there if you're adventurous or have the skills. And it can use DOS
software as well in its included DOS emulation.
Free, fast, and very simple and quick installation, and packed with
already installed apps for everything you might need. It even has Maxima
and Step ready to use for you (Linux Mint can have them too of course,
but they don't come preinstalled); these two apps are pure gold for
scientists and students alike. High school as well as university level
workhorses.
All Microsoft Office products have equivalents in the free LibreOffice
collection of software which come preinstalled in Knoppix. There are
apps already installed that teach you various languages, anatomy, bones,
history, vocabularies in various languages, all in the form of flash
cards that you can practice with. Also installed are a few apps for
programming. A member of general public will almost never need to
install anything else on it.
It was developed in Germany by Klaus Knopper. So the big tech could not
harass (or perhaps outright threaten) him for an OS that would make
Windows and macOS, together with HDD and SSD's in computers, obsolete
and unnecessary to have for the general public.
I intend to gradually migrate to totally doing away with Windows and
hard drives for my computers at home, and simply use Knoppix from then
on. If it turns out it's not made for compiling and executing computer
programs, then I always have my old powerful S20 ThinkStation to go to
:) A couple of years back I tried installing Linux Mint on that one, but
turned out it wouldn't work. I switched back to Windows, and I think for
heavy programming and compiling and running, Windows is still the best
if you do that at home. At work, a Unix machine could handle that easily
(they're really made with doing just that in mind). But Linux and
certainly Knoppix would not work well in that area. At least this is
what I suspect at this point. I have to try it myself to see.
At workplace, i.e., the business market, big tech rules because the
former need capabilities that only Windows and macOS (and Unix) have.
But at home, no matter who you are, Knoppix is all you need to use with
your computer. You will buy lots of cheap high capacity USB flash drives
and will max the RAM your computer can handle, and then you will remove
your obsolete HDD and SSD from your computer and keep them as curiosity
items from years gone by :)
Large capacity flash drives and RAM, and Knoppix OS, will free you from
paying for and having Windows and macOS forever.

Right now, I am using knoppix to post this message, after disconnecting
my hard drive cables in my computer and booting into flash drive. Bios
let me know no HDD was detected but gave me option to continue ("F1").
And right away knoppix came on like King!

And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g. I will keep testing
various programs on it to see if all of them are working for this
minimal arrangement.

No hard drives! :-)) It's a first for me.

[Esparquy Dobroserdov]

Post by Physfit Freak
And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g. I will keep testing
various programs on it to see if all of them are working for this
minimal arrangement. No hard drives! ) It's a first for me.

idiot, the kernel upgrades every week. Also, to load all the image into
ram from slow usb, thereafter you can't run serious shit in physics, the
swapping process would take decades, if used. You are an idiot. Piss off.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Esparquy Dobroserdov

Post by Physfit Freak
And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g. I will keep testing
various programs on it to see if all of them are working for this
minimal arrangement. No hard drives! ) It's a first for me.

idiot, the kernel upgrades every week. Also, to load all the image into
ram from slow usb, thereafter you can't run serious shit in physics, the
swapping process would take decades, if used. You are an idiot. Piss off.

Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

[Regino Bauer]

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Esparquy Dobroserdov

Post by Physfit Freak
And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g. I will keep
testing various programs on it to see if all of them are working for
this minimal arrangement. No hard drives! ) It's a first for me.

idiot, the kernel upgrades every week. Also, to load all the image into
ram from slow usb, thereafter you can't run serious shit in physics,
the swapping process would take decades, if used. You are an idiot.
Piss off.

Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

yes true, windows is another crap. It won't even boot from USB. But
compare it with a M2 interface nvme SSD hard disk, ie 1.5 GB/s
(gigabytes).

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Regino Bauer

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Esparquy Dobroserdov

Post by Physfit Freak
And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g. I will keep
testing various programs on it to see if all of them are working for
this minimal arrangement. No hard drives! ) It's a first for me.

idiot, the kernel upgrades every week. Also, to load all the image into
ram from slow usb, thereafter you can't run serious shit in physics,
the swapping process would take decades, if used. You are an idiot.
Piss off.

Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

yes true, windows is another crap. It won't even boot from USB. But
compare it with a M2 interface nvme SSD hard disk, ie 1.5 GB/s
(gigabytes).

So you are saying Windows 10 on a machine with SSD internal hard disk
boots faster than Knoppix on flash drive on a machine without internal
SSD or any other internal hard drives?

[Leonel Balakleevsky]

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Regino Bauer

Post by Physfitfreak
Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

yes true, windows is another crap. It won't even boot from USB. But
compare it with a M2 interface nvme SSD hard disk, ie 1.5 GB/s
(gigabytes).

So you are saying Windows 10 on a machine with SSD internal hard disk
boots faster than Knoppix on flash drive on a machine without internal
SSD or any other internal hard drives?

I would say yes. Said above, a windows takes about 2 sec to boot. But it
depends on how much driver it loads helping your system. Old knoppix, alot
of drivers are not there, ie for partition types, as f2fs, exfat etc. So
you are wasting your time.

𝗧𝗼𝗼_𝗺𝗮𝗻𝘆_𝗣𝗮𝗹𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗮𝗻𝘀_𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲_𝗱𝗶𝗲𝗱_–_𝗕𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗲𝗻
UN officials have described Gaza as “hell on earth” where “a child is
killed every 10 minutes”
https://r%74.com/news/587038-too-many-palestinians-killed-blinken/

You think mother F

Giving a green light while pretending to care.

Blinken is a hot air factory...

What a lying 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆 pos!
Blink𝗴𝗼𝘆 went to "isntreal", professing himself a "𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆" (anyone test
for these claims?) touting the total destruction of isntreals enemies.
Now, as people wake up to the illegal, occupying monsters, the 𝗸𝗵𝗮𝘇𝗮𝗿_𝗴𝗼𝘆𝘀
all across the west will claim it was never their intention to genocide a
people...backtracking and denying guilt.
𝗝𝗲𝘀𝘂𝘀_𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱_𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺_𝗹𝗶𝗮𝗿𝘀,_𝘃𝗶𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀_𝗮𝗻𝗱_𝗵𝘆𝗽𝗼𝗰𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗲𝘀_(𝗠𝗮𝘁𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘄_23)

"protect civilians and to make sure that humanitarian assistance reaches
them,"... Oh no, here we go again the US is raising the "humanitarian"
card, which generally means they want to attack another country using the
humanitarian reason.

[Physfit Freak]

Post by Leonel Balakleevsky

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Regino Bauer

Post by Physfitfreak
Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

yes true, windows is another crap. It won't even boot from USB. But
compare it with a M2 interface nvme SSD hard disk, ie 1.5 GB/s
(gigabytes).

So you are saying Windows 10 on a machine with SSD internal hard disk
boots faster than Knoppix on flash drive on a machine without internal
SSD or any other internal hard drives?

I would say yes. Said above, a windows takes about 2 sec to boot. But it
depends on how much driver it loads helping your system. Old knoppix, alot
of drivers are not there, ie for partition types, as f2fs, exfat etc. So
you are wasting your time.

Knoppix is not old. Last version came out in 2021.

You are speaking about new high performing computers. The average public
doesn't care about them. The public is still using computers that are
about 10 years old and want to get the best out of them.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Esparquy Dobroserdov

Post by Physfit Freak
And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g. I will keep testing
various programs on it to see if all of them are working for this
minimal arrangement. No hard drives! ) It's a first for me.

idiot, the kernel upgrades every week. Also, to load all the image into
ram from slow usb, thereafter you can't run serious shit in physics, the
swapping process would take decades, if used. You are an idiot. Piss off.

Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

Ok, with a bit of more experimentation with Knoppix I have started to
see its limits for computers with minimal resources.

One is that, when I insert an additional USB drive, some of the file
managers provided don't see it, only Thunar file manager sees and
accesses it.

Second is (on a 4 GB RAM machine), in Thunar, when I attempt to copy a
file from the HDD to a second USB drive, it goes through as if it wants
to do it as usual, but as soon as I click "paste" in the second drive,
Thunar closes down. When I bring Thunar back up, sometimes nothing is
pasted in the second drive and sometimes stuff are partially pasted.
Never a complete copy. And this happens silently without any error messages.

But that is with a 4 gb RAM machine. I tried it just a few minutes ago
with another old computer that has 8 GB RAM and the copying with Thunar
worked flawlessly. So 4 gb definitely is not enough RAM for Knoppix.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Physfitfreak
Ok, with a bit of more experimentation with Knoppix I have started to
see its limits for computers with minimal resources.
One is that, when I insert an additional USB drive, some of the file
managers provided don't see it, only Thunar file manager sees and
accesses it.
Second is (on a 4 GB RAM machine), in Thunar, when I attempt to copy a
file from the HDD to a second USB drive, it goes through as if it wants
to do it as usual, but as soon as I click "paste" in the second drive,
Thunar closes down. When I bring Thunar back up, sometimes nothing is
pasted in the second drive and sometimes stuff are partially pasted.
Never a complete copy. And this happens silently without any error messages.
But that is with a 4 gb RAM machine. I tried it just a few minutes ago
with another old computer that has 8 GB RAM and the copying with Thunar
worked flawlessly. So 4 gb definitely is not enough RAM for Knoppix.

Another issue. I tested Knoppix on my other computer (24 gb RAM). This
one has enough "resources."

It works without issues, but if you, in the middle of using an
application, leave the computer for like 10 minutes without touching it,
when you come back, everything on the screen is frozen. Clicks and
keyboard inputs won't work, so the task manager cannot be brought up to
force the application closed. So you'd have to just shut the computer
down manually.

Is this the same problem some of you mentioned in relation to Linux not
coming back up from sleep? If so, then why do I have stuff on the screen
as I left it, and not just a blank screen? It looks like computer
doesn't go to "sleep", but into a sudden, silent, and eternal freeze :)

Very Linux like.

But this computer is the one on which Linux Mint did the same two years
back, except with the latter it only took less than one minute to go
into that state even while you were interacting with it. With Knoppix,
it looks like, as long as you are active and are interacting with it, it
runs and runs, but when you don't interact with it, it goes into that
state. I've tested this three times so far!

Is it the computer or Knoppix?

[The Starmaker]

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Physfitfreak
Ok, with a bit of more experimentation with Knoppix I have started to
see its limits for computers with minimal resources.
One is that, when I insert an additional USB drive, some of the file
managers provided don't see it, only Thunar file manager sees and
accesses it.
Second is (on a 4 GB RAM machine), in Thunar, when I attempt to copy a
file from the HDD to a second USB drive, it goes through as if it wants
to do it as usual, but as soon as I click "paste" in the second drive,
Thunar closes down. When I bring Thunar back up, sometimes nothing is
pasted in the second drive and sometimes stuff are partially pasted.
Never a complete copy. And this happens silently without any error messages.
But that is with a 4 gb RAM machine. I tried it just a few minutes ago
with another old computer that has 8 GB RAM and the copying with Thunar
worked flawlessly. So 4 gb definitely is not enough RAM for Knoppix.

Another issue. I tested Knoppix on my other computer (24 gb RAM). This
one has enough "resources."
It works without issues, but if you, in the middle of using an
application, leave the computer for like 10 minutes without touching it,
when you come back, everything on the screen is frozen. Clicks and
keyboard inputs won't work, so the task manager cannot be brought up to
force the application closed. So you'd have to just shut the computer
down manually.
Is this the same problem some of you mentioned in relation to Linux not
coming back up from sleep? If so, then why do I have stuff on the screen
as I left it, and not just a blank screen? It looks like computer
doesn't go to "sleep", but into a sudden, silent, and eternal freeze :)
Very Linux like.
But this computer is the one on which Linux Mint did the same two years
back, except with the latter it only took less than one minute to go
into that state even while you were interacting with it. With Knoppix,
it looks like, as long as you are active and are interacting with it, it
runs and runs, but when you don't interact with it, it goes into that
state. I've tested this three times so far!
Is it the computer or Knoppix?

It's called....Crash.

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=Knoppix+crash

[Physfitfreak]

Post by The Starmaker
It's called....Crash.
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=Knoppix+crash

That assumes the culprit is Knoppix. I'm not sure of that.

[Physfitfreak]

Look into "Alt-SysRq REISUB"

Alt-SysRq h is supposed to give a list of commands, but nothing comes
up. I don't want to try other letters without knowing what they do.

[The Starmaker]

Post by Physfitfreak

Look into "Alt-SysRq REISUB"

Alt-SysRq h is supposed to give a list of commands, but nothing comes
up. I don't want to try other letters without knowing what they do.

you need...cheatcodes

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Esparquy Dobroserdov

Post by Physfit Freak
And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g. I will keep testing
various programs on it to see if all of them are working for this
minimal arrangement. No hard drives! ) It's a first for me.

idiot, the kernel upgrades every week. Also, to load all the image into
ram from slow usb, thereafter you can't run serious shit in physics, the
swapping process would take decades, if used. You are an idiot. Piss off.

Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

This seems meaningless, having a modern (2021 purchased) SSD/
motherboard, with fully up to date Win11. The amount of time, even on
a cold boot, that it takes to load, is trivial. And PCI-e4 is
standard, today, so I don't have the absolute best example to offer.
That's how fast these things move, literally as a storage device, and
in progress in tech.

(sci.physics and portable linux added)

It should not matter, I think. On your machine, compare the time it
takes for Knoppix on a flash drive to boot, to that of Windows 11 on
your internal SSD. The Knoppix I think should boot faster.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Esparquy Dobroserdov

Post by Physfit Freak
And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g. I will keep testing
various programs on it to see if all of them are working for this
minimal arrangement. No hard drives! ) It's a first for me.

idiot, the kernel upgrades every week. Also, to load all the image into
ram from slow usb, thereafter you can't run serious shit in physics, the
swapping process would take decades, if used. You are an idiot. Piss off.

Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

This seems meaningless, having a modern (2021 purchased) SSD/
motherboard, with fully up to date Win11.  The amount of time, even on
a cold boot, that it takes to load, is trivial.  And PCI-e4 is
standard, today, so I don't have the absolute best example to offer.
That's how fast these things move, literally as a storage device, and
in progress in tech.

(sci.physics and portable linux added)
It should not matter, I think. On your machine, compare the time it
takes for Knoppix on a flash drive to boot, to that of Windows 11 on
your internal SSD. The Knoppix I think should boot faster.

I meant to say Knoppix on an external SSD using USB interface, not a
flash drive.

The difference should be machine-independent. I think on any machine,
Knoppix boots faster than Windows.

[Joel]

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Physfitfreak
Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

This seems meaningless, having a modern (2021 purchased) SSD/
motherboard, with fully up to date Win11.  The amount of time, even on
a cold boot, that it takes to load, is trivial.  And PCI-e4 is
standard, today, so I don't have the absolute best example to offer.
That's how fast these things move, literally as a storage device, and
in progress in tech.

(sci.physics and portable linux added)
It should not matter, I think. On your machine, compare the time it
takes for Knoppix on a flash drive to boot, to that of Windows 11 on
your internal SSD. The Knoppix I think should boot faster.

The post above refers to Win10, which is gigantic, as is 11, I see 11
in current builds as merely the natural progression of bloat by M$.
So, given that one has to run up to date builds of either version, the
system requirements are in reality the same, 1 GHz 2-core 8th gen in
Intel terms, 4 GB RAM, realistically a SATA SSD is required for
adequate performance, NVMe preferred.

So, yeah, Linux will definitely boot faster on something that *isn't*
maximized for performance today, which is PCI-e-based NVMe.

Post by Physfitfreak
I meant to say Knoppix on an external SSD using USB interface, not a
flash drive.
The difference should be machine-independent. I think on any machine,
Knoppix boots faster than Windows.

Correct.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Joel

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Physfitfreak
Booting my computer via Knoppix flash drive takes less than 1/10th of
the time compared to booting time in Windows 10 on the same computer.

This seems meaningless, having a modern (2021 purchased) SSD/
motherboard, with fully up to date Win11.  The amount of time, even on
a cold boot, that it takes to load, is trivial.  And PCI-e4 is
standard, today, so I don't have the absolute best example to offer.
That's how fast these things move, literally as a storage device, and
in progress in tech.

(sci.physics and portable linux added)
It should not matter, I think. On your machine, compare the time it
takes for Knoppix on a flash drive to boot, to that of Windows 11 on
your internal SSD. The Knoppix I think should boot faster.

The post above refers to Win10, which is gigantic, as is 11, I see 11
in current builds as merely the natural progression of bloat by M$.
So, given that one has to run up to date builds of either version, the
system requirements are in reality the same, 1 GHz 2-core 8th gen in
Intel terms, 4 GB RAM, realistically a SATA SSD is required for
adequate performance, NVMe preferred.
So, yeah, Linux will definitely boot faster on something that *isn't*
maximized for performance today, which is PCI-e-based NVMe.

Post by Physfitfreak
I meant to say Knoppix on an external SSD using USB interface, not a
flash drive.
The difference should be machine-independent. I think on any machine,
Knoppix boots faster than Windows.

Correct.

Anything I blabber in this thread is with the general public in mind.
And generally I don't research beforehand, what I'm going to blabber
about in a usenet forum. So this is all lounge talk for me.

I don't think the general public has the newest best computers at home.
Their computers are like their cars. In the streets, most cars are not
new. And only once in a while you notice a Ferrari among them. Much more
often than seeing Ferraris, you see cars 15 or even 20 years old. I
think their computers at home are also like that.

And I began this thread because I think Windows is kind of a
cantankerous OS for the general public.

Example. Last weekend, I installed Windows from scratch on an empty HDD
in one of my computers to test a graphics card in Windows. I swear, by
the time it was relatively ready for me, I had grown at least an extra
1/8th of an inch of beard on my face, and it'd gone way past my bed
time. Next morning, it still wouldn't let me comfortably use it under
bombardments of a hundred different non-essential features that it
wanted to impose on me. It's the craziest computer experience that a
member of general public has to go through at home. So Windows is not
for the general public.

Right now, I am testing Knoppix to see if that suffices. And if it does,
then under what conditions and resources.

[Joel]

Post by Physfitfreak
I don't think the general public has the newest best computers at home.
Their computers are like their cars. In the streets, most cars are not
new. And only once in a while you notice a Ferrari among them. Much more
often than seeing Ferraris, you see cars 15 or even 20 years old. I
think their computers at home are also like that.

This is why Linux is poised to gain market share on the desktop,
Microsoft is requiring a frantic pace of hardware upgrades.

Post by Physfitfreak
And I began this thread because I think Windows is kind of a
cantankerous OS for the general public.

Definitely.

Post by Physfitfreak
Example. Last weekend, I installed Windows from scratch on an empty HDD
in one of my computers to test a graphics card in Windows. I swear, by
the time it was relatively ready for me, I had grown at least an extra
1/8th of an inch of beard on my face, and it'd gone way past my bed
time. Next morning, it still wouldn't let me comfortably use it under
bombardments of a hundred different non-essential features that it
wanted to impose on me. It's the craziest computer experience that a
member of general public has to go through at home. So Windows is not
for the general public.
Right now, I am testing Knoppix to see if that suffices. And if it does,
then under what conditions and resources.

Phones seem to have supplanted the PC as the device of choice.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Joel

Post by Physfitfreak
I don't think the general public has the newest best computers at home.
Their computers are like their cars. In the streets, most cars are not
new. And only once in a while you notice a Ferrari among them. Much more
often than seeing Ferraris, you see cars 15 or even 20 years old. I
think their computers at home are also like that.

This is why Linux is poised to gain market share on the desktop,
Microsoft is requiring a frantic pace of hardware upgrades.

Post by Physfitfreak
And I began this thread because I think Windows is kind of a
cantankerous OS for the general public.

Definitely.

Post by Physfitfreak
Example. Last weekend, I installed Windows from scratch on an empty HDD
in one of my computers to test a graphics card in Windows. I swear, by
the time it was relatively ready for me, I had grown at least an extra
1/8th of an inch of beard on my face, and it'd gone way past my bed
time. Next morning, it still wouldn't let me comfortably use it under
bombardments of a hundred different non-essential features that it
wanted to impose on me. It's the craziest computer experience that a
member of general public has to go through at home. So Windows is not
for the general public.
Right now, I am testing Knoppix to see if that suffices. And if it does,
then under what conditions and resources.

Phones seem to have supplanted the PC as the device of choice.

Computer makers should begin making a distinction between their business
market and their general public market. They're still leaving this
needed demand to the big tech, not themselves. And big tech can only
make various flavors of the same cantankerous product, "Home", "Pro",
"Enterpirse", ... because they're not interested in removing their
product from general market no matter what it's doing to people's
nerves. They pack the "Home" version with literally hundreds of features
that amount to making the computer just another medium for incessant
advertising.

So it is the responsibility of the computer maker to meet that need,
creating two lines of computers, one for business and one for the public.

The ones for business market can have anything under the sky in them,
including 3 days of installations and updates till computer is ready to
serve. "IT guys" of businesses do that over the weekends for them. But
the ones for the public should come without even internal storage
devices. It should be high in RAM capacity, and the package would
include a high capacity high speed external SSD using the USB interface,
with Knoppix on it! This is what serves best for the public. And it
would perhaps be even much cheaper both for the computer maker and for
the public. They wouldn't have to pay big tech anything for each
computer they sell, and they wouldn't need to equip it with expensive
internal storage.

Either Knoppix or something similar (tens of them around) should be on
that external SSD that comes with the computer, complete with just one
page of cheatsheet to use it.

I don't trust the portable ones that are developed inside USA. I may be
a bit paranoid about it, but I think there is a distinct probability
that such an OS is insidiously designed to frustrate the user, so they'd
bounce back to machines with internal storage and Windows and other
"cantankerous" OS's on them. That's why I suggest Knoppix. Big tech, or
any of your "Putin"s around the world, couldn't touch its development.

[Tyrone]

Post by Physfit Freak
And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g.
No hard drives! :-)) It's a first for me.

Except that the flash drive IS the hard drive.

Welcome to the world of SSDs. Some of us have been here for years.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Tyrone

Post by Physfit Freak
And I only have 4 g of RAM. The flash drive is 16 g.
No hard drives! :-)) It's a first for me.

Except that the flash drive IS the hard drive.
Welcome to the world of SSDs.   Some of us have been here for years.

And you can have the flash drive or the external SSD in your pocket and
stick it into any computer in your house and boot in no time. None of
the computers require Windows and any internal hard drives or SSDs.

External SSD's the size of a flash drive, which use USB interface, are
ideal for Knoppix :) I don't have one (yet) but it looks ideal to me.
Here is a 1 tb one from eBay for $60, free shipping:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/166396756668


Make it bootable with Knoppix, and you can forget Windows. Then McGuinn
here in sci.physics can tell Microsoft, "You got nothing!" :)

[[e-mail]]

Post by Physfitfreak
I recently installed Linux Mint on an old computer. After going through

[]
OFF TOPIC in sci.physics!!!!!!!

[bertietaylor]

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Post by Physfitfreak
I recently installed Linux Mint on an old computer. After going through

[]
OFF TOPIC in sci.physics!!!!!!!

Apart from Arindam's physics all is rubbish in sci.physics


bt

[Arindam Banerjee]

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Post by ***@gmail.com

Post by Physfitfreak
I recently installed Linux Mint on an old computer. After going through

[]
OFF TOPIC in sci.physics!!!!!!!

Apart from Arindam's physics all is rubbish in sci.physics
bt

Thanks, Bertius Bowus Wowus and Tyler "bhooNcho" Taylor.

Indeed the ghosts of my dogs know far better physics than the Nobel
Laureates!

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Physfitfreak
I recently installed Linux Mint on an old computer.

That computer soon after than got pissed at by my cats and went dead.

I installed Linux mint again on a newer Dell computer (with SSD), and
from a month back have been using nothing but that one. Did various
different stuff on it. I should say, now, I like it better than Windows
10. There's a good chance I'll never go back to Windows again.

I'm glad I didn't start with Gentoo. If I had gone that route, by now I
had either quit Linux altogether, or gone nuts about it like Farley.

The level at which I use my computers doesn't ... how should I say it,
is not in harmony with that much detail work and expertise in an OS to
gain more control over how I want to use my computer.

So like Joel, I prefer, certainly for now, to use Mint and get it over
with.

Ahah! The word is "justify" :-) My use of computers doesn't justify the
effort required in learning Gentoo.

[Joel]

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Post by Physfitfreak
I recently installed Linux Mint on an old computer.

That computer soon after than got pissed at by my cats and went dead.
I installed Linux mint again on a newer Dell computer (with SSD), and
from a month back have been using nothing but that one. Did various
different stuff on it. I should say, now, I like it better than Windows
10. There's a good chance I'll never go back to Windows again.
I'm glad I didn't start with Gentoo. If I had gone that route, by now I
had either quit Linux altogether, or gone nuts about it like Farley.
The level at which I use my computers doesn't ... how should I say it,
is not in harmony with that much detail work and expertise in an OS to
gain more control over how I want to use my computer.
So like Joel, I prefer, certainly for now, to use Mint and get it over
with.
Ahah! The word is "justify" :-) My use of computers doesn't justify the
effort required in learning Gentoo.

Mint is great, you can't go wrong. Some people just want to be
"leet", so they have to make it harder to install or less pretty.
--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Joel

Post by Physfitfreak

Post by Physfitfreak
I recently installed Linux Mint on an old computer.

That computer soon after than got pissed at by my cats and went dead.
I installed Linux mint again on a newer Dell computer (with SSD), and
from a month back have been using nothing but that one. Did various
different stuff on it. I should say, now, I like it better than Windows
10. There's a good chance I'll never go back to Windows again.
I'm glad I didn't start with Gentoo. If I had gone that route, by now I
had either quit Linux altogether, or gone nuts about it like Farley.
The level at which I use my computers doesn't ... how should I say it,
is not in harmony with that much detail work and expertise in an OS to
gain more control over how I want to use my computer.
So like Joel, I prefer, certainly for now, to use Mint and get it over
with.
Ahah! The word is "justify" :-) My use of computers doesn't justify the
effort required in learning Gentoo.

Mint is great, you can't go wrong. Some people just want to be
"leet", so they have to make it harder to install or less pretty.

"Leet" is close, or may be exactly it. I use the word "freak" for it.

The slight advantages, and the fact that they're getting more and more
skilled in it as they learn, make them drift toward nerdiness about it.
I'm myself like that. If I happen to spend a good amount of time,
successfully, in doing a challenging task as I learn it and get better
and better at it, I become entangled in it for the long haul :) I become
a "freak". Hence, "Physfit freak" or "Clutterfreak" or "math or bio or
excel freak" etc.

It really doesn't matter what particular engagement it is that one is
in. It can be something worthy, like Gentoo, or Physics, or sailing,
etc, or it could be something close to nonsense. An example for the
latter case is Carpentier :) Hahhahhahh :-))

The guy is either an AI with all its shortcomings included, or if he
breathes, he is at least at times totally out of it. I'm not making just
idle talk. I _know_ there's something wrong with him.

Ok, now that I spent so many words about that let me finish it too: here
is a quote of what went between me and him a little while back:

Physfit: "I read a little bit about Gentoo's features. Looks like it
is a form of Linux that is ideal for only scientists."

Carpentier: "I don't know what that means. Any tool available on Gentoo
is available somewhere else."

!... Do you see it? A certain wire, or a few wires, are missing in him.
Ok, if it is not that obvious for you mortals to see that, then I'll
bring an analogy for it. Here is the analogy:

Physfit: "For this picnic that I'm participating in, I've made this
wonderful sandwich with just the right ingredients :) "

Carpentier: "I don't know what that means. Any ingredient in your
sandwich is available in any grocery store [so why not taking a grocery
store with you?]. "

Now you see it better, don't you :)

So Carpentier is a "nerd" that chose the silliest form of activity to be
drifted towards. That of, "Just jump at anyone who says stuff about what
you know, regardless of what it is that he says. Jump at him." That's
how silly, a task toward which one can get nerdy, can be.

Fuck, my time is worth more than wasing it on some "Carpentier".

Yes Mint is better than Windows 10. I have tried win10 (on this same
computer, which has SSD), and I did just about any use I've ever had
from a computer using the Mint part of the SSD during last month, and
Mint wins against Windows 10 in everything that I'm concerned with. The
only issue I have with it right now is that when I change the keyboard
layout to a specific form of Persian, the layout works for every app
except Telegram app. With formal Persian layout Telegram app has no
problem, but for informal one like the one I use (phonetic Persian) it
doesn't work. So I have to type everything in a text editor and paste it
into telegram. So far, this is the only issue.

[Physfitfreak]

The only issue I have with it right now is that when I change the
keyboard layout to a specific form of Persian, the layout works for
every app except Telegram app. With formal Persian layout Telegram app
has no problem, but for informal one like the one I use (phonetic
Persian) it doesn't work. So I have to type everything in a text editor
and paste it into telegram. So far, this is the only issue.

That issue is also at last resolved. Thanks to myself! Neither all those
websites which host the app helped it, nor the developers of the layout
app themselves. I did it.

The online installation of the Keyman phonetic Persian layout is the
culprit. It won't work for the Telegram. One has to download its kmp
file and install it in the computer via iBus. It still won't work unless
you turn the computer off and then back on. Then it works for all apps
including Telegram. _None_ of these steps are explained anywhere. They
either think they're trivial, or they're paid by Microsoft to stop at
that and not take the last vital step.

So the number one shortcoming of Linux for me is now shifted to that
problem. Lack of proper instructions to install their apps.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Physfitfreak
So the number one shortcoming of Linux for me is now shifted to that
problem. Lack of proper instructions to install their apps.

There's another problem of course that's probably worth mentioning. Not
only at present, but in Linux's entire lifetime, many of those who know
Linux have had the tendency to keep the knowledge to themselves, while
having the nerve to step into, even reside, in a Linux forum. We have
similar individuals with similar problems in the physics form here too.
So it's not the Linux that does it. It is the individual.

My guess is, such individuals are the cro-magnons and are useless for
the success of Linux OS.

To share information, requires abilities that are often seen in Modern
Human, and only rarely seen in cro-magnons. Read the full discussion of
that in one of my blogs here in sci.physics. A cro-magnon man had to be
born with a certain form of autism to be able to share information as
naturally as Modern Human does. They have to borrow from other parts of
their brains to be able to do it!

It is obvious to me that a few of you in Linux forum should really fuck
off. It doesn't matter how much you know Linux. It's not your place to
be in a "Linux advocacy" forum, if you don't help. Go to your niche Nazi
holes and stay there with the likes of yourselves, and discuss Trump vs
Biden hogwash. You should not be anywhere that I and the like visit. I
share my information, to friend or foe. You miserable little Nazis
don't. Being scared of humans is in your genes. Read my related blog and
find that out!

[Jim Pennino]

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Post by Physfitfreak
So the number one shortcoming of Linux for me is now shifted to that
problem. Lack of proper instructions to install their apps.

There's another problem of course that's probably worth mentioning. Not
only at present, but in Linux's entire lifetime, many of those who know
Linux have had the tendency to keep the knowledge to themselves,

And yet another Dunning-Kruger post from our resident poster boy for the
syndrom.

The Internet is literally awash with many gigabytes of documentation,
forums and tutorials on the various flavors of Linux.

[Physfitfreak]

I've known several very intelligent Iranians; they aren't all assholes.

Hehe :)

You mean assholes towards Nazis, no? Hehe :)

[Physfitfreak]

8- is capable of weighing options at his disposal and coming up fast
with the most sensible combination of them (I don't remember the word
for it right now)

I still cannot remember the word for it. It is a combination of
pragmatism, adaptability, and ingenuity, applied naturally and fast. I
need to refer to my ACOB blog to see what I used for it there. Only the
Persian word for it pops in my mind.

[Physfitfreak]

Post by Physfitfreak

8- is capable of weighing options at his disposal and coming up fast
with the most sensible combination of them (I don't remember the word
for it right now)

I still cannot remember the word for it. It is a combination of
pragmatism, adaptability, and ingenuity, applied naturally and fast. I
need to refer to my ACOB blog to see what I used for it there. Only the
Persian word for it pops in my mind.

Fuck I found it. "Realistic" :-) Hahhahahh :) He is capable of being
realistic.

[-hh]

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Post by Physfitfreak

8- is capable of weighing options at his disposal and coming up fast
with the most sensible combination of them (I don't remember the word
for it right now)

I still cannot remember the word for it. It is a combination of
pragmatism, adaptability, and ingenuity, applied naturally and fast. I
need to refer to my ACOB blog to see what I used for it there. Only the
Persian word for it pops in my mind.

Fuck I found it. "Realistic" :-) Hahhahahh :) He is capable of being
realistic.

The word that comes to mind for me to describe Feeb is “deluded”.

Overall, overconfident in their abilities, which then come up short when
gaged against someone with actual mastery. Reminds me of an individual I
met this past week: loud, boisterous talker, but when it comes to walking
the walk, struggles.

I can post a specific example after I download the logs next week.

-hh

[Physfitfreak]

Neither: Techno.

Fingers in ears...

The first time I heard Inner City, it was like disco had been buried in
vats underground, and matured into something even more wonderful.

Burying disco is a great idea; digging it up again isn't.

Go listen to Donna Summer’s classic “I Feel Love”. It was called “disco”
at the time, but there was sown the seed of techno.

I think Nina Hagen's Zarah was first, not Donna Summers. Or could be
that I heard of Donna Summers' song a few years after it got out. I'm
not sure now.

I just checked youtube to see if it gives a date. It has a video-music
of Hagen's that came out in 1983, but I think the song itself was out
way before that.