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Mysteries of galaxies on the example of M 87 - a new model, interpretations of observations / measurements, verifications.
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Enes Richard
2019-05-16 10:57:34 UTC
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As a lover of Cosmology and a scientific critic, I can no longer tolerate wickedness and theoretical powerlessness in this field of knowledge. M 87 is the galaxy with a jet for 5000. l.y. and the recently generated image of the black hole. Despite unusual / fantastic observations and measurements, for 20 years there was no theoretical progress, cosmologists confirm their powerlessness, and commonly accepted theories, e.g., do not allow to explain the following phenomena:

1) Strange objects with large dimensions (2 yellow ellipses approx. 40x80 thousands l.y., on the left and right of the red spot, visible on radio waves 90 cm (picture above).

2) The method of creating radio waves with simultaneous X-rays from the same areas.

3) An unprecedented number of 12,000 globular clusters, while the number of globular clusters usually does not exceed 1 thousand, and MW is around 200.

I will try to present interpretations based on a new model of formation and evolution of galaxies. Each interpretation will be related to the verification method.

I invite you to participate actively in the development of this field of knowledge.

To be continued...
Enes Richard
2019-05-17 07:46:55 UTC
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1) Strange objects with large dimensions (2 yellow ellipses approx. 40x80 thousands l.y., on the left and right of the red spot, visible on radio waves 90 cm (picture above).
2) The method of creating radio waves with simultaneous X-rays from the same areas.
3) An unprecedented number of 12,000 globular clusters, while the number of globular clusters usually does not exceed 1 thousand, and MW is around 200.
I will try to present interpretations based on a new model of formation and evolution of galaxies. Each interpretation will be related to the verification method.
I invite you to participate actively in the development of this field of knowledge.
To be continued...
Ad 2) The method of creating radio waves with simultaneous X-rays
from the same areas.

Radio waves with a length of 0.9m (in the picture above) may be
the result of the Doppler effect. In particular, the mass falling
on the areas in which there are a lot of black holes - may break
into elementary particles. Some of the elementary particles may
be annihilated.

Gamma radiation (eg, annihilation of e-p) at high speeds close to
c can be observed / measured as radio waves, which can be calculated:

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efekt_Dopplera#Efekt_Dopplera_dla_%C5%9Bwiat%C5%82a
Enes Richard
2019-05-19 21:21:28 UTC
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1) Strange objects with large dimensions (2 yellow ellipses approx. 40x80 thousands l.y., on the left and right of the red spot, visible on radio waves 90 cm (picture above).
2) The method of creating radio waves with simultaneous X-rays from the same areas.
3) An unprecedented number of 12,000 globular clusters, while the number of globular clusters usually does not exceed 1 thousand, and MW is around 200.
I will try to present interpretations based on a new model of formation and evolution of galaxies. Each interpretation will be related to the verification method.
I invite you to participate actively in the development of this field of knowledge.
To be continued...
Ad 2) The method of creating radio waves with simultaneous X-rays
from the same areas.
Radio waves with a length of 0.9m (in the picture above) may be
the result of the Doppler effect. In particular, the mass falling
on the areas in which there are a lot of black holes - may break
into elementary particles. Some of the elementary particles may
be annihilated.
Gamma radiation (eg, annihilation of e-p) at high speeds close to
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efekt_Dopplera#Efekt_Dopplera_dla_%C5%9Bwiat%C5%82a
Verification of the predictions of the new model.
Once more:
http://www.messier.seds.org/more/m087_nrao.html

"Look at the image for waves 90 cm. Near the middle of
this image is a red spot (about 7kpc x 15 kpc). On the
left, about 25 kpc is a distorted yellow ellipse (12kpc x 25 kpc).
On the right is a more distorted yellow ellipse (12kpc x 25 kpc).
Between these objects is a yellow band with a width of up to 7 kpc. "

These three objects represented by 2 ellipses and a band probably
have a complex internal structure that should be revealed when
detecting radio waves with a length greater than 0, 9 m, probably
at a few meters. The ellipses and the ribbon should have a loss
of continuity. There should be a lot of single spots of more
intense radiation.

This is possible using the LOFAR system, as was the case with
the 3C 196 quasar.
Mitch Raemsch
2019-05-19 21:44:56 UTC
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Black holes are gravity gone awry.
Science has been pretending about their existence
because they lose to their theoretical failure; in math
most of all. God is creating gravity.
black holes have been dismantled...
We are seeing their redshift look a likes and not black holes.

Mitchell Raemsch
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1) Strange objects with large dimensions (2 yellow ellipses approx. 40x80 thousands l.y., on the left and right of the red spot, visible on radio waves 90 cm (picture above).
2) The method of creating radio waves with simultaneous X-rays from the same areas.
3) An unprecedented number of 12,000 globular clusters, while the number of globular clusters usually does not exceed 1 thousand, and MW is around 200.
I will try to present interpretations based on a new model of formation and evolution of galaxies. Each interpretation will be related to the verification method.
I invite you to participate actively in the development of this field of knowledge.
To be continued...
Ad 2) The method of creating radio waves with simultaneous X-rays
from the same areas.
Radio waves with a length of 0.9m (in the picture above) may be
the result of the Doppler effect. In particular, the mass falling
on the areas in which there are a lot of black holes - may break
into elementary particles. Some of the elementary particles may
be annihilated.
Gamma radiation (eg, annihilation of e-p) at high speeds close to
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efekt_Dopplera#Efekt_Dopplera_dla_%C5%9Bwiat%C5%82a
Verification of the predictions of the new model.
http://www.messier.seds.org/more/m087_nrao.html
"Look at the image for waves 90 cm. Near the middle of
this image is a red spot (about 7kpc x 15 kpc). On the
left, about 25 kpc is a distorted yellow ellipse (12kpc x 25 kpc).
On the right is a more distorted yellow ellipse (12kpc x 25 kpc).
Between these objects is a yellow band with a width of up to 7 kpc. "
These three objects represented by 2 ellipses and a band probably
have a complex internal structure that should be revealed when
detecting radio waves with a length greater than 0, 9 m, probably
at a few meters. The ellipses and the ribbon should have a loss
of continuity. There should be a lot of single spots of more
intense radiation.
This is possible using the LOFAR system, as was the case with
the 3C 196 quasar.
Enes Richard
2019-05-20 19:30:07 UTC
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Black holes are gravity gone awry.
Science has been pretending about their existence
because they lose to their theoretical failure; in math
most of all. God is creating gravity.
black holes have been dismantled...
We are seeing their redshift look a likes and not black holes.
Mitchell Raemsch
It's high time to change the definition and name. Instead of a black
hole there should be a dark hole, an object with an extreme density
equal to the electron's density.

Dark holes in this picture are hidden under red and yellow colour.
The disassembled mass falls on them with a velocity close to "c" and
radiates, which we measure as radio waves with a length of 90 cm.
Very interesting are the regular shapes of areas similar to ellipses
and others, probably no one has yet provided a rational explanation
of these phenomena ...
Enes Richard
2019-05-21 09:41:42 UTC
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1) Strange objects with large dimensions (2 yellow ellipses approx. 40x80 thousands l.y., on the left and right of the red spot, visible on radio waves 90 cm (picture above).
2) The method of creating radio waves with simultaneous X-rays from the same areas.
3) An unprecedented number of 12,000 globular clusters, while the number of globular clusters usually does not exceed 1 thousand, and MW is around 200.
I will try to present interpretations based on a new model of formation and evolution of galaxies. Each interpretation will be related to the verification method.
I invite you to participate actively in the development of this field of knowledge.
To be continued...
There are many indications that M 87 is the result of the collision
of two spiral galaxies. The collision was almost perpendicular
considering the angle between the equatorial planes. This is not
surprising, since M 87 is located near a distinctive direction in
space, where many galaxies are in a collision or after collision yet.

This is the case, for example, in the neighboring Markarian's
Chain:
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Returning, however, to the basic picture:
http://www.messier.seds.org/more/m087_nrao.html

Ad 1) Strange objects with large dimensions (2 yellow ellipsis approx.
40x80 thousands l.y., on the left and right of the red spot, visible
on radio waves 90 cm (picture above).

These 2 yellow ellipses are apparent radio images of one galaxy,
which caused the destruction of this in the foreground. This is the
mid-effect of gravitational lensing (between micro and macro
gravitational lensing). The lens is multiple here, for simulation it
is necessary to pre-assume about 20-30 sets of black holes with a total
mass of approx. MW galaxy, located ~ perpendicularly behind a red
spot in the photo on a distance of approx. 60-80 thousand l.y. The
galaxy giving images of ellipses is further , probably around 40-60,000 l.y
Enes Richard
2019-05-24 11:57:36 UTC
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1) Strange objects with large dimensions (2 yellow ellipses approx. 40x80 thousands l.y., on the left and right of the red spot, visible on radio waves 90 cm (picture above).
2) The method of creating radio waves with simultaneous X-rays from the same areas.
3) An unprecedented number of 12,000 globular clusters, while the number of globular clusters usually does not exceed 1 thousand, and MW is around 200.
I will try to present interpretations based on a new model of formation and evolution of galaxies. Each interpretation will be related to the verification method.
I invite you to participate actively in the development of this field of knowledge.
To be continued...
Ad. 3) An unprecedented number of 12,000 globular clusters, while
the number of globular clusters usually does not exceed 1 thousand,
and in Milky Way is around 200.


Considering 12,000 globular clusters in M 87, it is probably one
of the results of a collision and the effect of physical synergy:

a) much less than 1000 comes from the period before the collision
and are the oldest,

b) more should be younger and much smaller, because after the
collision many star forming centers were created, not just one
in the center of the galaxy, where globular clusters are normally
formed.

c) a significant number may be images as a result of gravitational
lensing. Apparent images should appear in pairs in relation to the
red spot:
-left-right near the location of yellow ellipses,
- up-down (direction 11-5 hours).

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