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IT IS NOTR THAT SPACE IS EXPANDING it is something diffferent !!
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2018-04-08 08:43:10 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!

the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
beyond that range :
--ATRACTION IS REPLACED BY REPULSION !!!!

(that is as well taking in account the 'dark matter that is between masses
=======================
how about that ??
TIA
Y.Porat
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Odd Bodkin
2018-04-08 12:09:30 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
Post by p***@gmail.com
the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--ATRACTION IS REPLACED BY REPULSION !!!!
(that is as well taking in account the 'dark matter that is between masses
=======================
how about that ??
TIA
Y.Porat
==========================
--
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2018-04-08 12:57:01 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
=======================
odd
thank you for your question :

I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity

--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '

if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces

I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
======
Y.Porat
========================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by p***@gmail.com
the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--ATRACTION IS REPLACED BY REPULSION !!!!
(that is as well taking in account the 'dark matter that is between masses
=======================
how about that ??
TIA
Y.Porat
==========================
Odd Bodkin
2018-04-08 13:56:54 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
=======================
odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity
--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '
if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces
I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
======
Y.Porat
========================
None of this answers my question. I asked you about how you know the nature
of space and you answered about circlons and the role of mass. Please
answer my question about space and how you know.
Post by p***@gmail.com
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by p***@gmail.com
the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--ATRACTION IS REPLACED BY REPULSION !!!!
(that is as well taking in account the 'dark matter that is between masses
=======================
how about that ??
TIA
Y.Porat
==========================
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
p***@gmail.com
2018-04-08 17:34:56 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
=======================
odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity
--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '
if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces
I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
======
Y.Porat
========================
None of this answers my question. I asked you about how you know the nature
of space and you answered about circlons and the role of mass. Please
answer my question about space and how you know.
=========================
I will ask you for a simple PHYSICS!!!!! answer
===============================================
WAHT ARE THE **PHYSICAL** **DIMENSIONS** OF SPACE ...
================================================
BTW a minor question :
why do you top post ?!!
==========================

TIA
Y.Porat
===================================
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Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by p***@gmail.com
the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--ATRACTION IS REPLACED BY REPULSION !!!!
(that is as well taking in account the 'dark matter that is between masses
=======================
Odd Bodkin
2018-04-08 20:36:33 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
=======================
odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity
--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '
if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces
I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
======
Y.Porat
========================
None of this answers my question. I asked you about how you know the nature
of space and you answered about circlons and the role of mass. Please
answer my question about space and how you know.
=========================
I will ask you for a simple PHYSICS!!!!! answer
===============================================
WAHT ARE THE **PHYSICAL** **DIMENSIONS** OF SPACE ...
[L]^3

Now, I repeat my question to you: what genie has told you that space is
nothing and has no physical properties?
Post by p***@gmail.com
================================================
why do you top post ?!!
I don’t top post. I post right after the comment I want to respond to
Post by p***@gmail.com
==========================
TIA
Y.Porat
===================================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by p***@gmail.com
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by p***@gmail.com
the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--ATRACTION IS REPLACED BY REPULSION !!!!
(that is as well taking in account the 'dark matter that is between masses
=======================
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
p***@gmail.com
2018-04-08 23:59:39 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
=======================
odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity
--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '
if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces
I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
======
Y.Porat
========================
None of this answers my question. I asked you about how you know the nature
of space and you answered about circlons and the role of mass. Please
answer my question about space and how you know.
=========================
I will ask you for a simple PHYSICS!!!!! answer
===============================================
WAHT ARE THE **PHYSICAL** **DIMENSIONS** OF SPACE ...
[L]^3
Now, I repeat my question to you: what genie has told you that space is
nothing and has no physical properties?
Post by p***@gmail.com
================================================
why do you top post ?!!
I don’t top post. I post right after the comment I want to respond to
Post by p***@gmail.com
==========================
TIA
Y.Porat
===================================
Post by Odd Bodkin
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Post by Odd Bodkin
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the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
==========================
you say that the dimension of space
is L^3

now a few questions about it :
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?

how do you can measure it
if that that is all there ??
3
how can L^3
make FORCES AND MOMENTUM ??
====================
TIA
Y.Porat
=============================
Odd Bodkin
2018-04-09 02:09:10 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity
--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '
if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces
I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
=====> >>> Y.Porat
=======================> >>
None of this answers my question. I asked you about how you know the nature
of space and you answered about circlons and the role of mass. Please
answer my question about space and how you know.
========================> > I will ask you for a simple PHYSICS!!!!! answer
==============================================> > WAHT ARE THE **PHYSICAL**
**DIMENSIONS** OF SPACE ...
[L]^3
Now, I repeat my question to you: what genie has told you that space is
nothing and has no physical properties?
why do you top post ?!!
I dont top post. I post right after the comment I want to respond to
=========================> >
TIA
Y.Porat
===================================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by Odd Bodkin
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the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.

Energy and torque have identical dimensions and ye5 they are very
different. So more to it than dimensions.
how do you can measure it
if that that is all there ??
3
how can L^3
make FORCES AND MOMENTUM ??
===================TIA
Y.Porat
============================
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
p***@gmail.com
2018-04-09 04:56:46 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity
--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '
if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces
I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
=====> >>> Y.Porat
=======================> >>
None of this answers my question. I asked you about how you know the nature
of space and you answered about circlons and the role of mass. Please
answer my question about space and how you know.
========================> > I will ask you for a simple PHYSICS!!!!! answer
==============================================> > WAHT ARE THE **PHYSICAL**
**DIMENSIONS** OF SPACE ...
[L]^3
Now, I repeat my question to you: what genie has told you that space is
nothing and has no physical properties?
why do you top post ?!!
I don t top post. I post right after the comment I want to respond to
=========================> >
TIA
Y.Porat
===================================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by p***@gmail.com
the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
=====================
Mr Smarty !!!

I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPTY SPACE !!
AGAIN
ABOUT EMPTY (EMPTY!!!!!!!! ) SPACE
NET (NET !!!) SPACE
can I be clearer than that with my questions t !!!

and what can**** empty space **** do*** !!!!!!!
it deems that you still don't 'for read' my mind
ie
to what I am getting to ....
===
TIA
Y.Porat
===========================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Energy and torque have identical dimensions and ye5 they are very
different. So more to it than dimensions.
how do you can measure it
if that that is all there ??
3
how can L^3
make FORCES AND MOMENTUM ??
===================TIA
Y.Porat
============================
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2018-04-09 10:13:13 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity
--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '
if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces
I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
=====> >>> Y.Porat
=======================> >>
None of this answers my question. I asked you about how you know the nature
of space and you answered about circlons and the role of mass. Please
answer my question about space and how you know.
========================> > I will ask you for a simple PHYSICS!!!!! answer
==============================================> > WAHT ARE THE **PHYSICAL**
**DIMENSIONS** OF SPACE ...
[L]^3
Now, I repeat my question to you: what genie has told you that space is
nothing and has no physical properties?
why do you top post ?!!
I don t top post. I post right after the comment I want to respond to
=========================> >
TIA
Y.Porat
===================================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by p***@gmail.com
the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
=====================
Mr Smarty !!!
I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPTY SPACE !!
AGAIN
ABOUT EMPTY (EMPTY!!!!!!!! ) SPACE
NET (NET !!!) SPACE
can I be clearer than that with my questions t !!!
and what can**** empty space **** do*** !!!!!!!
it deems that you still don't 'for read' my mind
ie
to what I am getting to ....
===
TIA
Y.Porat
===========================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Energy and torque have identical dimensions and ye5 they are very
different. So more to it than dimensions.
how do you can measure it
if that that is all there ??
3
how can L^3
make FORCES AND MOMENTUM ??
===================TIA
Y.Porat
============================
so ??
Bodkin
what is in your mind??
did you understand what I have to say
considering my above assertions ??)
or may be you need some more explanations ??
===
TIA
Y.Porat
========================
Odd Bodkin
2018-04-09 11:13:14 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity
--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '
if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces
I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
=====> >>> Y.Porat
=======================> >>
None of this answers my question. I asked you about how you know the nature
of space and you answered about circlons and the role of mass. Please
answer my question about space and how you know.
========================> > I will ask you for a simple PHYSICS!!!!! answer
==============================================> > WAHT ARE THE **PHYSICAL**
**DIMENSIONS** OF SPACE ...
[L]^3
Now, I repeat my question to you: what genie has told you that space is
nothing and has no physical properties?
why do you top post ?!!
I don t top post. I post right after the comment I want to respond to
=========================> >
TIA
Y.Porat
===================================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by Odd Bodkin
Post by p***@gmail.com
the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
=====================
Mr Smarty !!!
I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPTY SPACE !!
AGAIN
ABOUT EMPTY (EMPTY!!!!!!!! ) SPACE
NET (NET !!!) SPACE
can I be clearer than that with my questions t !!!
and what can**** empty space **** do*** !!!!!!!
it deems that you still don't 'for read' my mind
ie
to what I am getting to ....
===
TIA
Y.Porat
===========================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Energy and torque have identical dimensions and ye5 they are very
different. So more to it than dimensions.
how do you can measure it
if that that is all there ??
3
how can L^3
make FORCES AND MOMENTUM ??
===================TIA
Y.Porat
============================
so ??
Bodkin
what is in your mind??
did you understand what I have to say
considering my above assertions ??)
or may be you need some more explanations ??
How about you answer my direct and simple question?
Post by Odd Bodkin
===
TIA
Y.Porat
========================
--
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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2018-04-09 11:13:12 UTC
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has a creative mind for physics
so
see the y circlon mechanism again
if you remember my scheme about it
you could see that
the curved force lines there
act only for a limited distance
because they are curved with curvature directed to their ''mother mass'
if so the rang of their activity
--IS LIMITED IN DISTANCE FROM 'MOTHER MASS '
if do
while distance from 'mother mass becomes bigger
then there is no more attraction force !!
now
'foreign ''masses -(say dark matter)
are intervening in bringing in their activity
that is disturbing/ and not compatible/ to the activity
(''harmony needed ( of original
attraction force of that was the
original attraction forces
I hope I explained something that was/came to my mind
--
in short
it *starts *with the systematic y circlon mechanism
done my masses
and is ended with (if you like)chaos
between the big masses and become
repulsion between them
nothing to do with space
that has no properties except hosting mass
ie
it is always the activity 0f **masses involved **
=====> >>> Y.Porat
=======================> >>
None of this answers my question. I asked you about how you know the nature
of space and you answered about circlons and the role of mass. Please
answer my question about space and how you know.
========================> > I will ask you for a simple PHYSICS!!!!! answer
==============================================> > WAHT ARE THE **PHYSICAL**
**DIMENSIONS** OF SPACE ...
[L]^3
Now, I repeat my question to you: what genie has told you that space is
nothing and has no physical properties?
why do you top post ?!!
I don t top post. I post right after the comment I want to respond to
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the ''secret'' is again in mass !!
iow
gravitation between masses is only inside some range of distance
now
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=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
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Mr Smarty !!!
I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPTY SPACE !!
Yes. Empt6 space has properties, other than just dimensions.

So I ask you again.
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AGAIN
ABOUT EMPTY (EMPTY!!!!!!!! ) SPACE
NET (NET !!!) SPACE
can I be clearer than that with my questions t !!!
and what can**** empty space **** do*** !!!!!!!
it deems that you still don't 'for read' my mind
ie
to what I am getting to ....
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Energy and torque have identical dimensions and ye5 they are very
different. So more to it than dimensions.
how do you can measure it
if that that is all there ??
3
how can L^3
make FORCES AND MOMENTUM ??
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has >>>>> --
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=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
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Mr Smarty !!!
I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPTY SPACE !!
Yes. Empt6 space has properties, other than just dimensions.
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(:-)
ok lets hear about the PHYSICAL properties of
**EMPY!!!!! SPACE'!!!!
OTHER THAN DIMENSIONS
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Energy and torque have identical dimensions and ye5 they are very
different. So more to it than dimensions.
how do you can measure it
if that that is all there ??
3
how can L^3
make FORCES AND MOMENTUM ??
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On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 11:36:38 PM UTC+3, Of > >>>>>>>>
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has >>>>> --
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
=====================
Mr Smarty !!!
I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPTY SPACE !!
Yes. Empt6 space has properties, other than just dimensions.
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(:-)
ok lets hear about the PHYSICAL properties of
**EMPY!!!!! SPACE'!!!!
OTHER THAN DIMENSIONS
You’re kidding, right?

Permittivity, permeability, impedance, electric field strength, magnetic
field strength, electromagnetic energy density. And that’s just for one
sector of physical properties. All associated with any region of EMPTY
space.

Haven’t even gotten into the catalog of other properties in other sectors.

Physical properties have so much more than just dimensions.
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Energy and torque have identical dimensions and ye5 they are very
different. So more to it than dimensions.
how do you can measure it
if that that is all there ??
3
how can L^3
make FORCES AND MOMENTUM ??
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has >>>>> --
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
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Mr Smarty !!!
I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPTY SPACE !!
Yes. Empt6 space has properties, other than just dimensions.
===================================
(:-)
ok lets hear about the PHYSICAL properties of
**EMPY!!!!! SPACE'!!!!
OTHER THAN DIMENSIONS
You’re kidding, right?
Permittivity, permeability, impedance, electric field strength,
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Hey odd
LET US SEE WHO IS KIDDING
before you detect electric field strength

YOU HAVE TO DETECT THE ELECTRIC FOILD !!!!!
DOES IT HAVE NO PHYSICAL DIMENTIOMS ????
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magnetic
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field strength, electromagnetic energy density
AS ABOVE !!
no physics dimensions ?


. And that’s just for one
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sector of physical properties. All associated with any region of EMPTY
the magnitudes of properties
=
hey odd
the magnitude is not the the
physical phenomenon
is associated with the
physics entity that is associated with the
physical phenomenon !

if you have a ****lot** of money
that is as well a physics ***science**
phenomenon ??!!


==
why not
you cant call the say' ***great** curiosity' of the
man how makes a physical experiment
as a''' sci /physics phenomenon
2
while you say
permeability''
it IS ALWAYS *ASCOCLATED WITH
PERMEABILITY OF WAHT ???!!

WAHT PHYSICAL ***ENTITY ??
AND INOUR NG WE RTY TO DEAL TALK ABOUT **PHYSICAL ENTITIES !!
PHYSICS ENETITES
AGAIN **ENTITIES !!!!!
you don't ???
=

so
why not call the belly ake of a
physics sci phenomenon
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space.
Haven’t even gotten into the catalog of other properties in other sectors.
Physical properties
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not properties !!!!
-- PHYSICS entities
ENTITIES !!!!before properties
or else you are ***floating*** in the air

(next day you will talk to me
about the price of one kilogram of iron... )

or the ** density**of the porridge you ate yesterday.
''that has no 'physics dimensions''''.
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"

Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.

"

Matter of fact, Odd believes in particles with no physical dimensions, at all!!

Btw, Odd, why would you call Space 'empty' if it's full of properties? Does 'nothing' have properties?
Lots of woodworking these days?
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Odd
"
Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
"
Matter of fact, Odd believes in particles with no physical dimensions, at all!!
So tell us, why we need nonzero dimensions to show something has an electrical
charge or some other property without physical length/area/volume??
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Btw, Odd, why would you call Space 'empty' if it's full of properties? Does
'nothing' have properties?
Lots of woodworking these days?
If I have a bottle with the property of containing water in its empty inside,
does it need water inside it in order to have the property of holding water?

I am just trying to figure out your illogical 'logic'.
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"
If I have a bottle with the property of containing water in its empty inside,
does it need water inside it in order to have the property of holding water?

I am just trying to figure out your illogical 'logic'. "

No, you're trying to justify particles with no volume.
Good luck with that.
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MM
"
If I have a bottle with the property of containing water in its empty inside,
does it need water inside it in order to have the property of holding water?
I am just trying to figure out your illogical 'logic'. "
No, you're trying to justify particles with no volume.
Good luck with that.
What is there to justify?

Again, I am just trying to figure out your illogical 'logic' that seems
to have a need to 'justify' this. (plus other bizarre concepts you
consider 'logical')
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"What is there to justify? "

Apparently, nothing. Your 'Science' is so scattered at this point, that it's grasping at anything.
Sad.
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"What is there to justify? "
Apparently, nothing.
Good. Maybe you are finally learning something.
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Your 'Science' is so scattered at this point, that it's grasping at anything.
Sad.
Why do you say that? (no answer, of course)

Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires
volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse.
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"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires
volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. "

Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael?
Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that.
I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions
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"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires
volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. "

The reason things move out of the way for other things is because they have volume.
Show me physical that can all exist in the same place, and I'll believe you. Unfortunately, the ones you believe in are too small to see, right?

Oh, by the way, how's ur prediction that the BH will be too small to image coming along?
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MM
"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires
volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. "
The reason things move out of the way for other things is because they have volume.
No, at a small scale it is because fermions obey Fermi statistics. Volume doesn't
factor in.

On a large scale, for example, if you try to put your fist through a table, the
electrons in the outer orbitals of the table atoms repel the elecrons in the outer
orbitals of the atoms of your fist, and the repulsion stops your fist. Of course
human experience interprets that no two pieces of matter can occupy the same volume.
That's the large scale effect.
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Show me physical that can all exist in the same place, and I'll believe you.
Photons in a laser beam.
Maybe Cooper pairs (of electrons).
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Oh, by the way, how's ur prediction that the BH will be too small to image coming along?
If you are talking about the BH at the center of the Milky Way, I'm not too worried.
It's an object with a Schwartzchild radius of 1/10 the earth orbit and is about 26,000
light years away.

It may have an accretion disk, but it must be rather sparse since it is not a quasar,
and we can see nothing (no light) there. Even though it is obvious from the orbits
of certain stars exactly where it is.
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"

Photons in a laser beam.
Maybe Cooper pairs (of electrons).
"
When I say physical, I mean Matter, not photons.
Just FYI.
You think your 'fundamental' electron can not only 'distribute' itself, but also piggyback? Nice.
I don't think it does, but if that makes you happy.
This is what I think Cooper pairs do:
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as you know.
Why don't you come over from The Dark Side?
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"
Photons in a laser beam.
Maybe Cooper pairs (of electrons).
"
When I say physical, I mean Matter, not photons.
Electrons are not photons.
And by the way, your private definition of “physical” as pertaining to
matter is not shared by scientists. Could be a problem.
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Just FYI.
You think your 'fundamental' electron can not only 'distribute' itself,
but also piggyback? Nice.
I don't think it does, but if that makes you happy.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/sefton/2electronorbital.GIF
as you know.
Why don't you come over from The Dark Side?
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"
Photons in a laser beam.
Maybe Cooper pairs (of electrons).
"
When I say physical, I mean Matter, not photons.
OK. Cooper pairs. Bose-Einstein condensates. W and Z particles.
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Just FYI.
You think your 'fundamental' electron can not only 'distribute'
itself, but also piggyback? Nice.
What piggyback?
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I don't think it does, but if that makes you happy.
No evidence of any of that, of course. Let me know when (if) you
ever find any evidence. Make sure you have a reason why such a thing
doesn't just radiate its energy away!
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Why don't you come over from The Dark Side?
What kind of stupid remark is that?
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MM
"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires
volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. "
Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael?
Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that.
I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions
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to whom John do you are referring to me Y.P
do you know the Pauli exclusion rule ?
''you and your wife cannot sit on the same chair
a the same time ........ (:- just my metaphor ..
but right all along physics
and that is why
in order that you and your wife can exist

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(AGAIN
ABSOLUTE AGAIN :(ABSO9LUTE**** EMPTY SPACE OR ELSE
NO MOTION WHTSOEVER COULD BE DONE
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MM
"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires
volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. "
Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael?
Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that.
I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions
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to whom John do you are referring to me Y.P
do you know the Pauli exclusion rule ?
''you and your wife cannot sit on the same chair
a the same time ........ (:- just my metaphor ..
but right all along physics
and that is why
in order that you and your wife can exist
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(AGAIN
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NO MOTION WHTSOEVER COULD BE DONE
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and much more
and much more meaningful :

it needs not only volume !!
IT NEES MASS !!!
AGAIN **MASS **
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NO MASS'' NO REAL PHYSICS !!
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Saying that 'space is expanding' is like someone watching the tide coming in and thinking that the water, itself, is expanding. It's not. There's just more coming in.
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much simpler !!
it is mass products (residuals )
that are expanding their ranger of motion
(circular motion ) !!!!!!
-- ie spreading wider and wider
bigger and bigger radius
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"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires
volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. "
Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael?
Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that.
By ancient philosophers.

Yes, it’s ok now.
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MM
"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires
volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. "
Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael?
Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that.
By ancient philosophers.
Yes, it’s ok now.
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I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions
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ancient philosophers
decoded the structure o all nuclei
and suggested the
Y circlon
and Y.Circlon mechanism ?
etc etc etc Bodkin
-Draper
-have achieved in you parroting life
beside being a disturbing cureless parrot life ?/!!
there is an ancient philosophers say
'if you cant help
--at least don't disturb !!!'
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"Again, I am trying to understand your illogical 'logic' that requires
volume for some reason. I wish you would explain but you refuse. "
Couldn't more than one thing be in the same place, then, Michael?
Or is that okay, now? I vaguely recall some objections to that.
Bosons can all be in the same place just fine, thank you very much.
It's how lasers work, in part.

Fermions obey Fermi statistics, which means that no two fermions can
have the same quantum state. One way they can do this is not being in
the same place.

Note that "volume" of anything doesn't factor in anywhere.

(does anyone know of details of Cooper pairs? Can they be considered to
be two electrons in the same place? They have different spin states so
this is allowed by Fermi statistics)
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I'm not refusing, you just don't accept my suggestions
What suggestions? Accept that everything is a bunch of retarded precessing
spinny things? No thank you.
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Said light doesn't claim space but Matter does.
Yes, we know this.

Space can be said to be "expanding", since two times nothing is still nothing, but if it is, why aren't galaxies and normal Matter "expanding"?
Space must simply be DIFFERENT from Matter, and there is simply MORE OF IT flowing into the spaces between Matter.
Saying that Space is expanding is like seeing the tide coming in and thinking that water everywhere on Earth is rising. Dumn
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MM
Said light doesn't claim space but Matter does.
Yes, we know this.
OK, so now you are essentially changing the rules to exclude bosons
and only account for fermions.
And two fermions cannot both be in the same quantum state. (One of the
ways they can avoid doing so is by being in different places. Again,
no mention of "volume" necessary)

Can two bosons with mass (such as the W or Z bosons) occupy the same
space? QM says yes, they can.

How about Bose-Einstein condensates? These essentially happen when atoms
that act as bosons (such as He-4) occupy the same state.
Post by john
Space can be said to be "expanding", since two times nothing is still
nothing, but if it is, why aren't galaxies and normal Matter "expanding"?
Anything held together by gravity (such as individual galaxies) won't
expand since gravity holds them together.

Even if the Solar system wasn't held together by gravity, the universe's
expansion would increase the earth's orbit radius by about 13 meters per year.
Not exactly noticeable.
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Space must simply be DIFFERENT from Matter, and there is simply MORE OF IT
flowing into the spaces between Matter.
No, things (galaxies) are simply moving farther apart.
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Saying that Space is expanding is like seeing the tide coming in and
thinking that water everywhere on Earth is rising. Dumn
More like watching a balloon expand and thinking the surface area of the
balloon is getting larger.
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Odd
"
Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
"
Matter of fact, Odd believes in particles with no physical dimensions, at all!!
No physical volume. That’s right.
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Btw, Odd, why would you call Space 'empty' if it's full of properties?
Empty space is called empty because it is devoid of persistent matter. It
isn’t called empty because it’s empty of properties. That would be stupid
because the space we observe has properties and so looking for space empty
of properties would be looking for something that doesn’t exist.
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Does 'nothing' have properties?
That’s just it. Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as
nothing is like defining a unicorn. What’s the point of defining something
that doesn’t exist?
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Lots of woodworking these days?
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"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as "
Okay.
Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
Empty is NOT EMPTY.
There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.

How about Fractal Matter?
Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't be seen because they're too small. They are the SOURCE of the properties we observe.

Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING? (Why do I ask? Of course the fool does.)
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Odd
"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as "
Okay.
Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
Empty is NOT EMPTY.
There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
OK so 'empty space' means no matter whatsoever, and that's it.
It can still host electric, magnetic, gravitational fields etc.
And before you start, 'no matter' excludes the virtual particles
that pop into and out of existence according to QCD.
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How about Fractal Matter?
How about invisible pink fairies??

Since there is absolutely no evidence of either one, both can be totally
disregarded completely.
Post by john
Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't
be seen because they're too small. They are the
SOURCE of the properties we observe.
No, there are invisible pink fairies that are everywhere in Space but can't
be seen because they're invisible. They are the SOURCE of the properties we
observe.

(Do you see how the two statements are equivalent? You must think my
invisible pink fairies are an absurd idea. They are, but they are no more
and no less absurd than your equally absurd undetectable mini-atoms.)
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Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING? (Why do I
ask? Of course the fool does.)
If it bothers you too much, just think 'empty' space just means no
actual matter, but space does 'host' electric and other fields just like
how space 'allows' ordinary matter to exist in it.
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Odd
"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as "
Okay.
Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
Empty is NOT EMPTY.
There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
OK so 'empty space' means no matter whatsoever, and that's it.
It can still host electric, magnetic, gravitational fields etc.
And before you start, 'no matter' excludes the virtual particles
that pop into and out of existence according to QCD.
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How about Fractal Matter?
How about invisible pink fairies??
Since there is absolutely no evidence of either one, both can be totally
disregarded completely.
Post by john
Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't
be seen because they're too small. They are the
SOURCE of the properties we observe.
No, there are invisible pink fairies that are everywhere in Space but can't
be seen because they're invisible. They are the SOURCE of the properties we
observe.
(Do you see how the two statements are equivalent? You must think my
invisible pink fairies are an absurd idea. They are, but they are no more
and no less absurd than your equally absurd undetectable mini-atoms.)
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Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING? (Why do I
ask? Of course the fool does.)
If it bothers you too much, just think 'empty' space just means no
actual matter, but space does 'host' electric and other fields just like
how space 'allows' ordinary matter to exist in it.
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space allow ordinary matter to exist in it

JAT NECAUSE IT IS EMPTY !!
NO PINK LADIES
PINKLADIES ARE ***YOURS(( AND ODDES AGEMTS NOT OURS!!
not mine and not Johns just yours and your master Odd

are you suggesting that electricity is nothing
just magic fairy lady ??

do you suggest the
empty EMPT EMPTY space
has PERMEABILITY !!!

that is a master piece of typical shameless** 0BFUSCATION**
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Odd
"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as "
Okay.
Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
Empty is NOT EMPTY.
There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
OK so 'empty space' means no matter whatsoever, and that's it.
It can still host electric, magnetic, gravitational fields etc.
And before you start, 'no matter' excludes the virtual particles
that pop into and out of existence according to QCD.
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How about Fractal Matter?
How about invisible pink fairies??
Since there is absolutely no evidence of either one, both can be totally
disregarded completely.
Post by john
Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't
be seen because they're too small. They are the
SOURCE of the properties we observe.
No, there are invisible pink fairies that are everywhere in Space but can't
be seen because they're invisible. They are the SOURCE of the properties we
observe.
(Do you see how the two statements are equivalent? You must think my
invisible pink fairies are an absurd idea. They are, but they are no more
and no less absurd than your equally absurd undetectable mini-atoms.)
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Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING? (Why do I
ask? Of course the fool does.)
If it bothers you too much, just think 'empty' space just means no
actual matter, but space does 'host' electric and other fields just like
how space 'allows' ordinary matter to exist in it.
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space allow ordinary matter to exist in it
JAT NECAUSE IT IS EMPTY !!
NO PINK LADIES
PINKLADIES ARE ***YOURS(( AND ODDES AGEMTS NOT OURS!!
not mine and not Johns just yours and your master Odd
are you suggesting that electricity is nothing
just magic fairy lady ??
do you suggest the
empty EMPT EMPTY space
has PERMEABILITY !!!
that is a master piece of typical shameless** 0BFUSCATION**
!!!!
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don't you Moroney and your master Odd
understands that
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HAD THERE NOT BEEN- ABSOLUTE COMPLETE EMPTY SPACE
--NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER - COULD BE DONE !!!????
no need to be a genius in order to understand it !!
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Okay.
Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
Empty is NOT EMPTY.
There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
OK so 'empty space' means no matter whatsoever, and that's it.
It can still host electric, magnetic, gravitational fields etc.
And before you start, 'no matter' excludes the virtual particles
that pop into and out of existence according to QCD.
Post by john
How about Fractal Matter?
How about invisible pink fairies??
Since there is absolutely no evidence of either one, both can be totally
disregarded completely.
Post by john
Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't
be seen because they're too small. They are the
SOURCE of the properties we observe.
actual matter, but space does 'host' electric and other fields just like
how space 'allows' ordinary matter to exist in it.
============================
space allow ordinary matter to exist in it
JAT NECAUSE IT IS EMPTY !!
NO PINK LADIES
PINKLADIES ARE ***YOURS(( AND ODDES AGEMTS NOT OURS!!
not mine and not Johns just yours and your master Odd
are you suggesting that electricity is nothing
just magic fairy lady ??
do you suggest the
empty EMPT EMPTY space
has PERMEABILITY !!!
that is a master piece of typical shameless** 0BFUSCATION**
!!!!
=======
TIA
Y.Porat
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don't you Moroney and your master Odd
understands that
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HAD THERE NOT BEEN- ABSOLUTE COMPLETE EMPTY SPACE
--NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER - COULD BE DONE !!!????
no need to be a genius in order to understand it !!
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is if you like (or not ..)
even compatible with the
Pauli exclusion rule
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Odd
"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as "
Okay.
Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
Empty is NOT EMPTY.
Hey, John, it’s nobody’s fault but yours that you don’t bother to ASK what
a physicist means by “empty space”. Instead you just ASSUME that you can
take that to mean anything you fucking want it to mean, including “empty of
all attributes”, “empty of all properties”, “empty of existence”, and even
“empty of meaning”. In other words, your3 happy to construe it to mean
something so extreme that it is nonsensical right from the get-go, and you
don’t bother to ask yourself, “maybe that’s not what they mean”. Right??
Post by john
There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
How about Fractal Matter?
Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't be
seen because they're too small. They are the SOURCE of the properties we observe.
Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING?
Stop LYING about what I say. I do NOT say that nothing has properties
because I do not say empty space is nothing. YOU do. Don’t put YOUR foolish
notions in my mouth.
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(Why do I ask? Of course the fool does.)
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Odd
"Empty space is NOT NOTHING. Trying to define empty space as"
Okay.
Now we understand 1984-speak a little better.
Empty is NOT EMPTY.
Hey, John, it’s nobody’s fault but yours that you don’t bother to ASK what
a physicist means by “empty space”. Instead you just ASSUME that you can
take that to mean anything you fucking want it to mean, including “empty of
all attributes”, “empty of all properties”, “empty of existence”, and even
“empty of meaning”. In other words, your3 happy to construe it to mean
something so extreme that it is nonsensical right from the get-go, and you
don’t bother to ask yourself, “maybe that’s not what they mean”. Right??
There is SOMETHING there, but we don't see it.
How about Fractal Matter?
Those are mini-atoms of 10^-40m that are everywhere in Space but can't be
seen because they're too small. They are the SOURCE of the properties we observe.
Or do you still say NOTHING can exhibit properties of BEING?
Stop LYING about what I say. I do NOT say that nothing has properties
because I do not say empty space is nothing. YOU do. Don’t put YOUR foolish
notions in my mouth.
So John, are you going to stop lying or not?
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(Why do I ask? Of course the fool does.)
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"..to stop lying or not..."
I know that's ur big problem right now.
I say- lose the nym and fess up, PD
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Odd
"..to stop lying or not..."
I know that's ur big problem right now.
I say- lose the nym and fess up, PD
John, the usage of a nym on the unsecured internet is not only an accepted
practice but an advisable one, according to experts. If you believe that
usage of a nym is lying, then you should probably stay off the internet,
and stick to venues that support your moral code. Kind of like staying out
of bars if you believe consumption of alcohol is morally wrong.

As for your obsession with a ghost and you association to him of many
people who even faintly remind you of him, I don’t feel the need to help
you with your personal problem.

Now, perhaps you could acknowledge a couple of recent lies on your part. Or
not.
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BUS!!!

Good. You're still with us.
Busy woodworking, lately? I'm sure you were.

If I mis-stated any of your opinions on Science, I'm sincerely sorry. But you have mis-stated mine, as well, many times, but on purpose, and you're not sorry.

But it's hard to remember your stands- that is because there isn't really a common thread because you don't have a model-- you think Space is NOT empty? You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?
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Odd
BUS!!!
Good. You're still with us.
Busy woodworking, lately? I'm sure you were.
If I mis-stated any of your opinions on Science, I'm sincerely sorry. But
you have mis-stated mine, as well, many times, but on purpose, and you're not sorry.
For example?
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But it's hard to remember your stands- that is because there isn't really
a common thread because you don't have a model--
John, I’ll remind you that you acknowledged that this statement is a lie.
In fact you said not too long ago, iirc, “Ok, so you have a model. Big
whoop.” So reverting to this lie so quickly is pretty egregious.
Post by john
you think Space is NOT empty?
John, can you not read? Empty space is called empty because it is devoid of
persistent matter. I JUST told you that. It is not empty of everything you
can imagine, like properties. What about this is too subtle for your
comprehension? It’s not that complicated. All you have to do is pay
attention.
Post by john
You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?
I don’t think I said any of those things. I’ll remind you that YOU (only
you) think quantum mechanics says everything is random and that nothing is
predictable, which is UNTRUE, and yet you can’t seem to absorb that.
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You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?
I don’t think I said any of those things. I’ll remind you that YOU (only "

You don't think?
You SAID it has everything but 'persistent matter'.

I actually agree that Space is what is left after you take THIS gauge Matter away. There is no Matter AS WE KNOW IT in Space. What is left is all the smaller Fractal Matter- which MAY be what is detected as DM. Space is FULL of these smaller manifestations, as it MUST be, and of radiations.

So, you're not totally wrong- a picture may be inferred from a negative- but why not just look at it right side up?
Answer- because bean counters don't care about the big picture- they actually LOSE their jobs when one is discovered.
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Odd
"
Post by john
You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?
I don’t think I said any of those things. I’ll remind you that YOU (only "
You don't think?
You SAID it has everything but 'persistent matter'.
Not quite. What I said is that it lacks persistent matter. It does have a
bunch of other things. This does not mean it has EVERYTHING but persistent
matter. It means it has some things other than persistent matter. What
about this is hard to understand?

Notice this does not mean it is “full” (full of WHAT?), it does not mean it
is random, it does not mean it is unstructured.
Post by john
I actually agree that Space is what is left after you take THIS gauge Matter away.
Gauge matter? What is the meaning of this word you invented?
Post by john
There is no Matter AS WE KNOW IT in Space. What is left is all the
smaller Fractal Matter- which MAY be what is detected as DM. Space is
FULL of these smaller manifestations, as it MUST be, and of radiations.
And how do you argue that it MUST be full of these manifestations?
Post by john
So, you're not totally wrong- a picture may be inferred from a negative-
but why not just look at it right side up?
Answer- because bean counters don't care about the big picture- they
actually LOSE their jobs when one is discovered.
Excuse me? Who has lost their job over a big picture?
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Odd
BUS!!!
Good. You're still with us.
Busy woodworking, lately? I'm sure you were.
If I mis-stated any of your opinions on Science, I'm sincerely sorry. But
you have mis-stated mine, as well, many times, but on purpose, and you're not sorry.
For example?
Post by john
But it's hard to remember your stands- that is because there isn't really
a common thread because you don't have a model--
John, I’ll remind you that you acknowledged that this statement is a lie.
In fact you said not too long ago, iirc, “Ok, so you have a model. Big
whoop.” So reverting to this lie so quickly is pretty egregious.
Post by john
you think Space is NOT empty?
John, can you not read? Empty space is called empty because it is devoid of
persistent matter.
=====================
not only empty of persistent matter !!!
we are talking about locations of space

-IN WHICH **ZERO MATTER EXIST**!!
NOT PERSISTENT AND NOR SCHMERSISTENT
JUST NOTHING !!
CANT YOU BLOCK HEAD PARROT UNDESTAND
THAT
======================================
HAD THERE NOT BEEN LOCATIONS OF ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACE
-NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER -COULD BE DONE !!
===============================================

even blockheads should understand it !!
so **the very fact that there ***is motion**-

--means that there are locations of absolute emptiness !!!
it is not written in your books ??
too bad for you and your books that you are selling
-----
difficult for a parrot ???
no permeability there
no em waves nothing
indeed it is not always continuous
but still exist
2
if so
like curving

my further assertion is
what is in those locations that enables them to do any action ??!!

like curving force lines
that come and pass those location

the question becomes more difficult
if those force lines are passing paces ]in which there is curved motion in spite of here and there
having mass
--make a curved motion
iow
is it space that do/cause curved motion ??

or is it some basic unknown particles that do it
because that is their ''' born/native '' property
some new inevitable assertion/suggestion
:??
that solves both
gravitation
and expansion of ''universe
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I think it is inevitable
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I JUST told you that. It is not empty of everything you
can imagine, like properties. What about this is too subtle for your
comprehension? It’s not that complicated. All you have to do is pay
attention.
Post by john
You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?
I don’t think I said any of those things. I’ll remind you that YOU (only
you) think quantum mechanics says everything is random and that nothing is
predictable, which is UNTRUE, and yet you can’t seem to absorb that.
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Odd
BUS!!!
Good. You're still with us.
Busy woodworking, lately? I'm sure you were.
If I mis-stated any of your opinions on Science, I'm sincerely sorry. But
you have mis-stated mine, as well, many times, but on purpose, and you're not sorry.
For example?
Post by john
But it's hard to remember your stands- that is because there isn't really
a common thread because you don't have a model--
John, Ill remind you that you acknowledged that this statement is a lie.
In fact you said not too long ago, iirc, Ok, so you have a model. Big
whoop. So reverting to this lie so quickly is pretty egregious.
Post by john
you think Space is NOT empty?
John, can you not read? Empty space is called empty because it is devoid of
persistent matter.
====================not only empty of persistent matter !!!
we are talking about locations of space
-IN WHICH **ZERO MATTER EXIST**!!
NOT PERSISTENT AND NOR SCHMERSISTENT
JUST NOTHING !!
There isn’t anything like that in nature.
What you are imaging, a region of space completely devoid of anything, is
like a unicorn — just describing it doesn’t mean it is real.
CANT YOU BLOCK HEAD PARROT UNDESTAND
THAT
=====================================HAD THERE NOT BEEN LOCATIONS OF ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACE
-NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER -COULD BE DONE !!
That’s simply not true. Not even in water. The water moves out of the way,
you see. That’s how things move through it.
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even blockheads should understand it !!
so **the very fact that there ***is motion**-
--means that there are locations of absolute emptiness !!!
Not true. The argument holds no water.
it is not written in your books ??
too bad for you and your books that you are selling
-----
difficult for a parrot ???
no permeability there
no em waves nothing
indeed it is not always continuous
but still exist
2
if so
like curving
my further assertion is
what is in those locations that enables them to do any action ??!!
like curving force lines
that come and pass those location
the question becomes more difficult
if those force lines are passing paces ]in which there is curved motion
in spite of here and there
having mass
--make a curved motion
iow
is it space that do/cause curved motion ??
or is it some basic unknown particles that do it
because that is their ''' born/native '' property
some new inevitable assertion/suggestion
:??
that solves both
gravitation
and expansion of ''universe
----
I think it is inevitable
====TIA
Y.Porat
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I JUST told you that. It is not empty of everything you
can imagine, like properties. What about this is too subtle for your
comprehension? Its not that complicated. All you have to do is pay
attention.
Post by john
You think it's full, but unstructured and random? Is that your Truth?
I dont think I said any of those things. Ill remind you that YOU (only
you) think quantum mechanics says everything is random and that nothing is
predictable, which is UNTRUE, and yet you cant seem to absorb that.
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JUST NOTHING !!
There isn’t anything like that in nature.
What you are imaging, a region of space completely devoid of anything, is
like a unicorn — just describing it doesn’t mean it is real.

"
Well, for once Odd and I agree.
And it DOESNT MATTER HOW SMALL of a region you consider- or where- there are NO VOIDS in Space.
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"NOT PERSISTENT AND NOR SCHMERSISTENT
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JUST NOTHING !!
There isn’t anything like that in nature.
What you are imaging, a region of space completely devoid of anything, is
like a unicorn — just describing it doesn’t mean it is real.
"
Well, for once Odd and I agree.
And it DOESNT MATTER HOW SMALL of a region you consider- or where- there
are NO VOIDS in Space.
And again, one must be careful what one means by “voids”.
For physicists, a void usually means a region where there is either no
persistent matter or not enough persistent matter to change Te results
being questioned. Unless this is stated or understood by all in the
conversation, you run the risk of making ridiculous assertions.

For example, suppose you said that a void is a region of space that is
devoid of all physical properties. Well, volume is a physical property and
so you’ve just defined a void as a volume of space that is devoid of
volume. Welcome to oxymoronia.
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"And again, one must be careful what one "
No.
I don't.
I put out ideas that relate to my model and try them in the same way one turns a jigsaw piece this way and that.

You don't really have a model, so you can't do that, and you reject mine, so even if your knowledge could help, you won't.

But that's okay, Odd.
Have a good ed ed ed
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Odd
"And again, one must be careful what one "
No.
I don't.
I put out ideas that relate to my model and try them in the same way one
turns a jigsaw piece this way and that.
Like a void being a volume that has no properties, like volume, and that’s
how you know there are no voids?
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You don't really have a model,
Now, John, there’s that lie again, second time in half a day. No shame? No
integrity?
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so you can't do that, and you reject mine, so even if your knowledge could help, you won't.
But that's okay, Odd.
Have a good ed ed ed
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"> You don't really have a model,

Now, John, there’s that lie again, second time in half a day. No shame? No
integrity? "

Okay- you don't have a model that you can draw or explain in language other than probability math- okay?
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Odd Big Dog
"> You don't really have a model,
Now, John, there’s that lie again, second time in half a day. No shame? No
integrity? "
Okay- you don't have a model that you can draw or explain in language
other than probability math- okay?
And that is correct, except for “probability math”. Math is used in physics
as a language in ways much more diverse than probability. Gauge invariance
and symmetry groups, for example, are enormously useful and descriptive and
have nothing — repeat, nothing — to do with probability.

So when you say “you don’t have a model,” what you SHOULD be saying is “you
don’t have a model in a form I can digest, and it’s your fault that you
expect people to learn math to be able to follow it.” That way, the nature
of the simpering whine can be fully appreciated.

I just want to remind you, John, that I am a woodworker, a common
craftsman. You won’t find me whining that physicists owe me short
explanations in a few paragraphs in conventional everyday language and a
couple of pictures to make things clear. Instead, I took the trouble to
read and learn, something that seems to make you dry-heave. You seem intent
on blaming everyone else for your choices.
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"don’t have a model in a form I can digest, and it’s your fault that you
expect people to learn math to be able to follow it.” That way, the nature "

You don't have a model that translates.
Into anything.
You're dreaming
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Odd
"don’t have a model in a form I can digest, and it’s your fault that you
expect people to learn math to be able to follow it.” That way, the nature "
You don't have a model that translates.
Into a form you care about, or can understand.
Scientists don’t owe that to anyone.
Those who are interested in physics have the option of learning physics.
This will come with requirements for the learner. This is no different than
someone who is interested in woodworking, or engineering, or music, or
chess.

Grow up, ya big baby.
You can learn it.
I’m doing that.
What’s your excuse?
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Into anything.
You're dreaming
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"don=E2=80=99t have a model in a form I can digest, and it=E2=80=99s your f=
ault that you=20
expect people to learn math to be able to follow it.=E2=80=9D That way, th=
e nature "
You don't have a model that translates.
Into anything.
You're dreaming
John, you are like a man with a hedge which needs trimming. Your neighbor
is using a small lawnmower to cut the lawn. You complain to the neighbor
"that's an _awful_ hedge trimmer, it's heavy and hard to control when
someone has to lift it to cut hedges." The neighbor says: "That's because
it's not a hedge trimmer!" Just because both are machines that cuts
vegetation doesn't mean you can use one for the other!

John, the science model is there to describe science, to figure out the
rules Nature sets for herself. It's not there to generate pretty animated
gifs. Sure, at times perhaps an animated gif might be useful, for example,
an animation of two black holes merging. But you seem to think everything
must be gifs or something. Physics has substantial math. Particle
physics in particular has lots of icky math, and your animated gifs are
of very little use. (which is because particle physics is NOT little balls
bouncing off of each other)
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Odd
"don=E2=80=99t have a model in a form I can digest, and it=E2=80=99s your f=
ault that you=20
expect people to learn math to be able to follow it.=E2=80=9D That way, th=
e nature "
You don't have a model that translates.
Into anything.
You're dreaming
John, you are like a man with a hedge which needs trimming. Your neighbor
is using a small lawnmower to cut the lawn. You complain to the neighbor
"that's an _awful_ hedge trimmer, it's heavy and hard to control when
someone has to lift it to cut hedges." The neighbor says: "That's because
it's not a hedge trimmer!" Just because both are machines that cuts
vegetation doesn't mean you can use one for the other!
John, the science model is there to describe science, to figure out the
rules Nature sets for herself. It's not there to generate pretty animated
gifs. Sure, at times perhaps an animated gif might be useful, for example,
an animation of two black holes merging. But you seem to think everything
must be gifs or something. Physics has substantial math. Particle
physics in particular has lots of icky math, and your animated gifs are
of very little use. (which is because particle physics is NOT little balls
bouncing off of each other)
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MICHEL Moroney
did God nominated you to be the
'SANSHO PANTCHIO '''
of Bodkin PD ??
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MICHEL Moroney
did God nominated you to be the
'SANSHO PANTCHIO '''
of Bodkin PD ??
"
They be besties
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Porat
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MICHEL Moroney
did God nominated you to be the
'SANSHO PANTCHIO '''
of Bodkin PD ??
"
They be besties
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John
do you agree with my*** historic
revolutionary** assertion :
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HAD THERE NOT BEEN **ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACES** -
-NO MOTION -WAHTSOEVER- COULD BE DONE !!!


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we have now an historic revolutionary assertion :
----
PD said
even water waves has no empty space to
'squeeze themselves ''
but he forgot
that they move ,,,,.......UPWARDS !!

in which only air is found
but still the same with air
if it cant expand horizontal
it expands ... upwards
to ....even BODKIN can now start understanding it!
========
now the impotent point to extract from it is

THE VERY FACT THAT WE SEE MOTION
IS A PROVE THER
SOMEWHERE THERE IS*** ABSLOUE EMPTY SPACE **

no Aether no schmaeter
just nothing !!!!!
no curvature and no ''schmervature '
if so ???
what **is making forces there IN OUR UNIVERSE ???
THE PUNC ANSWER :
**MASS ****IF EXIST THRE !!!!!!
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NASS ** IS THE'MOTHER' OF ALL FORCES !!-
-INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
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historic **revolutionary** physics BASIC assertion !!
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Yehiel PORAT
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MICHEL Moroney
did God nominated you to be the
'SANSHO PANTCHIO '''
of Bodkin PD ??
"
They be besties
=====================
John
do you agree with my*** historic
=========================================
HAD THERE NOT BEEN **ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACES** -
-NO MOTION -WAHTSOEVER- COULD BE DONE !!!
=============================================
----
PD said
even water waves has no empty space to
'squeeze themselves ''
but he forgot
that they move ,,,,.......UPWARDS !!
in which only air is found
but still the same with air
if it cant expand horizontal
it expands ... upwards
to ....even BODKIN can now start understanding it!
========
now the impotent point to extract from it is
THE VERY FACT THAT WE SEE MOTION
IS A PROVE THER
SOMEWHERE THERE IS*** ABSLOUE EMPTY SPACE **
no Aether no schmaeter
just nothing !!!!!
no curvature and no ''schmervature '
if so ???
what **is making forces there IN OUR UNIVERSE ???
**MASS ****IF EXIST THRE !!!!!!
===========================================
NASS ** IS THE'MOTHER' OF ALL FORCES !!-
-INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
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Yehiel PORAT
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Atoms are not hard little BBs with empty space between them. Ask yourself
how a solid can be compressible.
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"
MICHEL Moroney
did God nominated you to be the
'SANSHO PANTCHIO '''
of Bodkin PD ??
"
They be besties
=====================
John
do you agree with my*** historic
=========================================
HAD THERE NOT BEEN **ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACES** -
-NO MOTION -WAHTSOEVER- COULD BE DONE !!!
=============================================
----
PD said
even water waves has no empty space to
'squeeze themselves ''
but he forgot
that they move ,,,,.......UPWARDS !!
in which only air is found
but still the same with air
if it cant expand horizontal
it expands ... upwards
to ....even BODKIN can now start understanding it!
========
now the impotent point to extract from it is
THE VERY FACT THAT WE SEE MOTION
IS A PROVE THER
SOMEWHERE THERE IS*** ABSLOUE EMPTY SPACE **
no Aether no schmaeter
just nothing !!!!!
no curvature and no ''schmervature '
if so ???
what **is making forces there IN OUR UNIVERSE ???
**MASS ****IF EXIST THRE !!!!!!
===========================================
NASS ** IS THE'MOTHER' OF ALL FORCES !!-
-INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
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historic **revolutionary** physics BASIC assertion !!
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ANONYMOUS'
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Yehiel PORAT
=====
Atoms are not hard little BBs
====================
thank you for your questions
''B B ??''
basket balls ??
did i ever say something like that ???
and as you know
I don't just hand wave with words .....

=see my*** chain of orbitals system ***
if you don't understand it -I will explain it

(right at the beginning of my abstract)
and **you** know well that it is only the abstract .....!!

http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract


=== with empty space between them. quite a lot of empty space

more than probably more than YES!!-- EMPTY SPACE BETWEEN IT'S COMPONENETS
and neighbor particles
---
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how a solid can be compressible.
SEE ABOVE
Post by Odd Bodkin
---
it is not the Atom as a little solid*** ball**
that touch each other like tomatoes in a box
as in your imagination
the sub orbitals **are somehow flexible
just to remind you
I was once suggesting here in that n g -as the **eel*** model
composed of sub particles !!(sub chain of orbitals!!!
ie
even the electron is not a ''little solid ball'' -
===
TIA
Y.Porat
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MICHEL Moroney
did God nominated you to be the
'SANSHO PANTCHIO '''
of Bodkin PD ??
"
They be besties
=====================
John
do you agree with my*** historic
=========================================
HAD THERE NOT BEEN **ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACES** -
-NO MOTION -WAHTSOEVER- COULD BE DONE !!!
=============================================
----
PD said
even water waves has no empty space to
'squeeze themselves ''
but he forgot
that they move ,,,,.......UPWARDS !!
in which only air is found
but still the same with air
if it cant expand horizontal
it expands ... upwards
to ....even BODKIN can now start understanding it!
========
now the impotent point to extract from it is
THE VERY FACT THAT WE SEE MOTION
IS A PROVE THER
SOMEWHERE THERE IS*** ABSLOUE EMPTY SPACE **
no Aether no schmaeter
just nothing !!!!!
no curvature and no ''schmervature '
if so ???
what **is making forces there IN OUR UNIVERSE ???
**MASS ****IF EXIST THRE !!!!!!
===========================================
NASS ** IS THE'MOTHER' OF ALL FORCES !!-
-INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
================================================
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by
ANONYMOUS'
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Yehiel PORAT
=====
Atoms are not hard little BBs
====================
thank you for your questions
''B B ??''
basket balls ??
did i ever say something like that ???
and as you know
I don't just hand wave with words .....
=see my*** chain of orbitals system ***
if you don't understand it -I will explain it
(right at the beginning of my abstract)
and **you** know well that it is only the abstract .....!!
http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
=== with empty space between them. quite a lot of empty space
more than probably more than YES!!-- EMPTY SPACE BETWEEN IT'S COMPONENETS
and neighbor particles
---
Post by Odd Bodkin
how a solid can be compressible.
SEE ABOVE
Post by Odd Bodkin
---
it is not the Atom as a little solid*** ball**
that touch each other like tomatoes in a box
as in your imagination
the sub orbitals **are somehow flexible
just to remind you
I was once suggesting here in that n g -as the **eel*** model
composed of sub particles !!(sub chain of orbitals!!!
ie
even the electron is not a ''little solid ball'' -
===
TIA
Y.Porat
============================
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====================
I don't know why the ling is not opening

http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
may be now ..
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Y.P
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MICHEL Moroney
did God nominated you to be the
'SANSHO PANTCHIO '''
of Bodkin PD ??
"
They be besties
=====================
John
do you agree with my*** historic
=========================================
HAD THERE NOT BEEN **ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACES** -
-NO MOTION -WAHTSOEVER- COULD BE DONE !!!
=============================================
----
PD said
even water waves has no empty space to
'squeeze themselves ''
but he forgot
that they move ,,,,.......UPWARDS !!
in which only air is found
but still the same with air
if it cant expand horizontal
it expands ... upwards
to ....even BODKIN can now start understanding it!
========
now the impotent point to extract from it is
THE VERY FACT THAT WE SEE MOTION
IS A PROVE THER
SOMEWHERE THERE IS*** ABSLOUE EMPTY SPACE **
no Aether no schmaeter
just nothing !!!!!
no curvature and no ''schmervature '
if so ???
what **is making forces there IN OUR UNIVERSE ???
**MASS ****IF EXIST THRE !!!!!!
===========================================
NASS ** IS THE'MOTHER' OF ALL FORCES !!-
-INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
================================================
historic **revolutionary** physics BASIC assertion !!
by
ANONYMOUS'
ENG
Yehiel PORAT
=====
Atoms are not hard little BBs
====================
thank you for your questions
''B B ??''
basket balls ??
did i ever say something like that ???
and as you know
I don't just hand wave with words .....
=see my*** chain of orbitals system ***
if you don't understand it -I will explain it
(right at the beginning of my abstract)
and **you** know well that it is only the abstract .....!!
http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
=== with empty space between them. quite a lot of empty space
more than probably more than YES!!-- EMPTY SPACE BETWEEN IT'S COMPONENETS
and neighbor particles
---
Post by Odd Bodkin
how a solid can be compressible.
SEE ABOVE
Post by Odd Bodkin
---
it is not the Atom as a little solid*** ball**
that touch each other like tomatoes in a box
as in your imagination
the sub orbitals **are somehow flexible
just to remind you
I was once suggesting here in that n g -as the **eel*** model
composed of sub particles !!(sub chain of orbitals!!!
ie
even the electron is not a ''little solid ball'' -
===
TIA
Y.Porat
============================
Post by Odd Bodkin
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
====================
I don't know why the ling is not opening
http://sites.google.com/site/theyporatmodel/an-abstract
may be now ..
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Y.P
===================
you have to 'click ' on that link
at any case
I am sure people saw it and even**** downloaded it** a lot
some have even the whole book .....along more than 25 years !!
====
TIA
Y.Porat
=====================

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Odd
BUS!!!
Good. You're still with us.
Busy woodworking, lately? I'm sure you were.
If I mis-stated any of your opinions on Science, I'm sincerely sorry. But
you have mis-stated mine, as well, many times, but on purpose, and you're not sorry.
John, I ll remind you that you acknowledged that this statement is a lie.
In fact you said not too long ago, iirc, Ok, so you have a model. Big
whoop. So reverting to this lie so quickly is pretty egregious.
====================not only empty of persistent matter !!!
we are talking about locations of space
-IN WHICH **ZERO MATTER EXIST**!!
NOT PERSISTENT AND NOR SCHMERSISTENT
JUST NOTHING !!
There isn’t anything like that in nature.
What you are imaging, a region of space completely devoid of anything, is
like a unicorn — just describing it doesn’t mean it is real.
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CANT YOU BLOCK HEAD PARROT UNDESTAND
THAT
=====================================HAD THERE NOT BEEN LOCATIONS OF ABSOLUTE EMPTY SPACE
-NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER -COULD BE DONE !!
That’s simply not true. Not even in water. The water moves out of the way,
=====================
idiot block P D head flat mathematics formula man

don't you understands that while a wave is formed

-THE WATER IS MOVING TO ..***.WHERE** .???!!!
I WILL LEAVE IT TO YOUR RETARD CREATIVE IMMAGINATION
IMBECILE
DONT YOU UNDERSTND THAT:
see as well the Pauli exclusion rule !!
======================
TIA
Y.Porat
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HAD THERE NOT BEEN LOCATIONS OF ABSOLUTE EMPTINESS
NO MOTION WAHTSOEVER COULOD BE DONE !!
FULL STOP !!
a boy of secondary school can understand it !!!
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Y.Porat
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Lofty
... fess up, PD....
John, Paul long since stopped posting here because he got tired of
dealing with all the Seftons and Sefton manques. Long gone.

Good guy, smart, recommends good books.
"
Well, Odd sounds just like him.
So did Absolutely Vertical, The Wiz, Big Dog.

But, if you insist... my experience may not be the same as yours.
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Odd
BUS!!!
It's a good think you live in a cabin in the woods on a lake, John.
Not too many buses around to take you out. But be careful anyway.
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"..to stop lying or not..."
I know that's ur big problem right now.
I say- lose the nym and fess up, PD
Why is nearly every kook in sci.physics obsessed with the idea that
nearly every non-kook here is a PD sock? Even years after he left???

(Oddly enough, I have been accused of being PD only a couple of times)
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(Oddly enough, I have been accused of being PD only a couple of times)
Discursive style is too different. And nobody ever confused me with
Paul because I'm not as bright as he is. [grin]
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... fess up, PD....
John, Paul long since stopped posting here because he got tired of
dealing with all the Seftons and Sefton manques. Long gone.

Good guy, smart, recommends good books.

(Spell checker wanted to replace "manque" with "manure". I think it is
becoming sentient.)
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On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 11:36:38 PM UTC+3, Of > >>>>>>>>
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has >>>>> --
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
====================> >>> Mr Smarty !!!
I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPTY SPACE !!
Yes. Empt6 space has properties, other than just dimensions.
==================================> > (:-)
ok lets hear about the PHYSICAL properties of
**EMPY!!!!! SPACE'!!!!
OTHER THAN DIMENSIONS
Youre kidding, right?
Permittivity, permeability, impedance, electric field strength,
===================================Hey odd
LET US SEE WHO IS KIDDING
before you detect electric field strength
YOU HAVE TO DETECT THE ELECTRIC FOILD !!!!!
DOES IT HAVE NO PHYSICAL DIMENTIOMS ????
Electric field does have dimensions. Note that they aren’t [L]^3, which are
the dimensions of empty space.
Nevertheless, an electric field is a property of empty space.

Note that to detect it, we typically put something material in there. But
the electric field was there even before we put something in it. We didn’t
create the electric field by the thing we put in it.
]]
magnetic
field strength, electromagnetic energy density
AS ABOVE !!
no physics dimensions ?
. And thats just for one
sector of physical properties. All associated with any region of EMPTY
the magnitudes of properties
hey odd
the magnitude is not the the
physical phenomenon
is associated with the
physics entity that is associated with the
physical phenomenon !
I’m sorry but this isn’t true. When you design a detector to detect
something, you don’t want the detector to CREATE the thing you’re trying to
detect. In fact you want the detector to disturb what you’re measuring as
little as possible. So when you measure the permeability of empty space,
the idea is to use a detector that doesn’t significantly disturb that value
at all. You don’t want to measure permeability of the detector, you want to
measure the permeability of the space without any detector in it.

It’s the whole point of measurement, to not affect the value by the method
of measurement.
if you have a ****lot** of money
that is as well a physics ***science**
phenomenon ??!!
=why not
you cant call the say' ***great** curiosity' of the
man how makes a physical experiment
as a''' sci /physics phenomenon
2
while you say
permeability''
it IS ALWAYS *ASCOCLATED WITH
PERMEABILITY OF WAHT ???!!
WAHT PHYSICAL ***ENTITY ??
AND INOUR NG WE RTY TO DEAL TALK ABOUT **PHYSICAL ENTITIES !!
PHYSICS ENETITES
AGAIN **ENTITIES !!!!!
you don't ???
=
so
why not call the belly ake of a
physics sci phenomenon
space.
Havent even gotten into the catalog of other properties in other sectors.
Physical properties
=======not properties !!!!
-- PHYSICS entities
ENTITIES !!!!before properties
or else you are ***floating*** in the air
(next day you will talk to me
about the price of one kilogram of iron... )
or the ** density**of the porridge you ate yesterday.
''that has no 'physics dimensions''''.
======= TIA
Y.Porat
====================
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On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 11:36:38 PM UTC+3, Of > >>>>>>>>
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space is nothing -and can not ''do' anything !!
What genie revealed this to you?
======================> >>> odd
I imagine that what I asserted above
was moving something in you intuitive curiosity
knowing me as not a complete idiot..
and someone that has >>>>> --
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
=========================you say that the dimension of space
is L^3
1
that is all that you can say ** IS ** about
space ? and its dimensions
2
how you 'we - measure L^3 ?
No, there is more you can say about space. You only asked about its
dimensions. Not every property of a physical thing is derived from its
dimensions.
====================> >>> Mr Smarty !!!
I WAS ASKING ABOUT EMPTY SPACE !!
Yes. Empt6 space has properties, other than just dimensions.
==================================> > (:-)
ok lets hear about the PHYSICAL properties of
**EMPY!!!!! SPACE'!!!!
OTHER THAN DIMENSIONS
Youre kidding, right?
Permittivity, permeability, impedance, electric field strength,
===================================Hey odd
LET US SEE WHO IS KIDDING
before you detect electric field strength
YOU HAVE TO DETECT THE ELECTRIC FOILD !!!!!
DOES IT HAVE NO PHYSICAL DIMENTIOMS ????
Electric field does have dimensions. Note that they aren’t [L]^3, which are
the dimensions of empty space.
Nevertheless, an electric field is a property of empty space.
Note that to detect it, we typically put something material in there. But
the electric field was there even before we put something in it. We didn’t
create the electric field by the thing we put in it.
]]
magnetic
field strength, electromagnetic energy density
AS ABOVE !!
no physics dimensions ?
. And thats just for one
sector of physical properties. All associated with any region of EMPTY
the magnitudes of properties
hey odd
the magnitude is not the the
physical phenomenon
is associated with the
physics entity that is associated with the
physical phenomenon !
I’m sorry but this isn’t true. When you design a detector to detect
something, you don’t want the detector to CREATE the thing you’re trying to
detect. In fact you want the detector to disturb what you’re measuring as
little as possible. So when you measure the permeability of empty space,
the idea is to use a detector that doesn’t significantly disturb that value
at all. You don’t want to measure permeability of the detector, you want to
measure the permeability of the space without any detector in it.
It’s the whole point of measurement, to not affect the value by the method
of measurement.
<crickets>
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if you have a ****lot** of money
that is as well a physics ***science**
phenomenon ??!!
=why not
you cant call the say' ***great** curiosity' of the
man how makes a physical experiment
as a''' sci /physics phenomenon
2
while you say
permeability''
it IS ALWAYS *ASCOCLATED WITH
PERMEABILITY OF WAHT ???!!
WAHT PHYSICAL ***ENTITY ??
AND INOUR NG WE RTY TO DEAL TALK ABOUT **PHYSICAL ENTITIES !!
PHYSICS ENETITES
AGAIN **ENTITIES !!!!!
you don't ???
=
so
why not call the belly ake of a
physics sci phenomenon
space.
Havent even gotten into the catalog of other properties in other sectors.
Physical properties
=======not properties !!!!
-- PHYSICS entities
ENTITIES !!!!before properties
or else you are ***floating*** in the air
(next day you will talk to me
about the price of one kilogram of iron... )
or the ** density**of the porridge you ate yesterday.
''that has no 'physics dimensions''''.
======= TIA
Y.Porat
====================
--
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