Why Gravitational Waves Cannot Exist

[Pentcho Valev]

The existence of gravitational waves crucially depends on the following prediction:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hanoch-gutfreund/relatively-speaking_1_b_7314788.html
Hanoch Gutfreund: "The general theory of relativity predicts that time progresses slower in a stronger gravitational field than in a weaker one."

Actually the prediction is much more absurd than that: General relativity predicts that gravitational time dilation occurs even in a HOMOGENEOUS gravitational field ("the homogeneous gravitational field is the gravitational field which, in every point, has the same gradient of the potential. Such a field is produced by an infinite material plane with the constant surface density of mass"). That is, two clocks at different heights are in EXACTLY THE SAME immediate environment (experience EXACTLY THE SAME gravitational field) and yet one of them ticks faster than the other.

This means that, according to general relativity, the effect (gravitational time dilation) has no physical cause. "Effect without cause" is not a problem in Einstein schizophrenic world but clever Einsteinians feel uncomfortable from time to time and admit that there is no gravitational time dilation:

http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its-Roots-Banesh-Hoffmann/dp/0486406768
Banesh Hoffmann: "In an accelerated sky laboratory, and therefore also in the corresponding earth laboratory, the frequence of arrival of light pulses is lower than the ticking rate of the upper clocks even though all the clocks go at the same rate. (...) As a result the experimenter at the ceiling of the sky laboratory will see with his own eyes that the floor clock is going at a slower rate than the ceiling clock - even though, as I have stressed, both are going at the same rate. (...) The gravitational red shift does not arise from changes in the intrinsic rates of clocks. It arises from what befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation."

What befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation? They accelerate of course, just as ordinary falling objects do, and this variation of the speed of light (predicted by Newton's emission theory of light) causes the gravitational redshift (or blueshift):

http://courses.physics.illinois.edu/phys419/sp2013/Lectures/l13.pdf
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign: "Consider a falling object. ITS SPEED INCREASES AS IT IS FALLING. Hence, if we were to associate a frequency with that object the frequency should increase accordingly as it falls to earth. Because of the equivalence between gravitational and inertial mass, WE SHOULD OBSERVE THE SAME EFFECT FOR LIGHT. So lets shine a light beam from the top of a very tall building. If we can measure the frequency shift as the light beam descends the building, we should be able to discern how gravity affects a falling light beam. This was done by Pound and Rebka in 1960. They shone a light from the top of the Jefferson tower at Harvard and measured the frequency shift. The frequency shift was tiny but in agreement with the theoretical prediction."

http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/redshift_white_dwarfs
Albert Einstein Institute: "One of the three classical tests for general relativity is the gravitational redshift of light or other forms of electromagnetic radiation. However, in contrast to the other two tests - the gravitational deflection of light and the relativistic perihelion shift -, you do not need general relativity to derive the correct prediction for the gravitational redshift. A combination of Newtonian gravity, a particle theory of light, and the weak equivalence principle (gravitating mass equals inertial mass) suffices. (...) The gravitational redshift was first measured on earth in 1960-65 by Pound, Rebka, and Snider at Harvard University..."

And since there is no gravitational time dilation, there are no gravitational waves either.

Pentcho Valev

[Sam Wormley]

The fact that gravitational waves were observed indirectly by Hulse
and Taylor and directly by both of the LIGO detectors trumps your
claim of non-existence, Pentcho. :-o

[john]

Something was or was not detected

[Y.Porat]

Post by Sam Wormley
The fact that gravitational waves were observed indirectly by Hulse
and Taylor and directly by both of the LIGO detectors trumps your
claim of non-existence, Pentcho. :-o

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may be detected but ( a big but)
that does not mean whatsoever
that is ripples shmipples
ripples cannot produce attraction from long distances
got it block head parrot donkey orchestra conductor !!??
see
The Y Porat mechanism

ATB
Y.Porat
=========================================

[Pentcho Valev]

In Einstein schizophrenic world, Einstein himself does not know what his theory predicts. His followers uncover the predictions, confirm them experimentally and get the Nobel prize:

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/detection-gravitational-waves-breakthrough-whats-next-180958511/
Brian Greene: "Einstein himself had misgivings about his predication of gravitational waves. When first encountering the subtle equations of general relativity, it’s challenging to disentangle abstract math from measurable physics. Einstein was the first to engage in this tussle, and there were features that even he, the cynosure of relativity, failed to fully understand. But by the 1960s, scientists using more refined mathematical methods established beyond any doubt that gravitational waves were a distinguishing feature of the general theory of relativity."

http://arxiv.org/abs/1602.04674
"Around 1936, Einstein wrote to his close friend Max Born telling him that, together with Nathan Rosen, he had arrived at the interesting result that gravitational waves did not exist, though they had been assumed a certainty to the first approximation. He finally had found a mistake in his 1936 paper with Rosen and believed that gravitational waves do exist. However, in 1938, Einstein again obtained the result that there could be no gravitational waves!"

https://www.quantamagazine.org/20160218-gravitational-waves-kennefick-interview/
""There are no gravitational waves ... " ... "Plane gravitational waves, traveling along the positive X-axis, can therefore be found ... " ... " ... gravitational waves do not exist ... " ... "Do gravitational waves exist?" ... "It turns out that rigorous solutions exist ... " These are the words of Albert Einstein. For 20 years he equivocated about gravitational waves, unsure whether these undulations in the fabric of space and time were predicted or ruled out by his revolutionary 1915 theory of general relativity."

http://motls.blogspot.bg/2016/02/ligo-journal-servers-behind-scenes.html
Luboš Motl: " On September 9th, the LIGO folks were already convinced that they would discover the waves soon. Some of them were thinking what they would buy for the Nobel prize and all of them had to make an online vote about the journal where the discovery should be published. It has to be Physical Review Letters because PRL (published by the APS) is the best journal for the Nobel-prize-caliber papers, the LIGO members decided. Five days later, Advanced LIGO made the discovery. Four more days later, as you know, they officially started Advanced LIGO. ;-) "

Pentcho Valev

[Sam Wormley]

Post by Pentcho Valev
Einstein himself does not know what his theory predicts. His followers uncover the predictions, confirm them experimentally and get the Nobel prize

Yes, now we look back a hundred years at those equations Einstein
published as say: Beautiful, Simple and Profound. :-)

[Y.Porat]

Post by Sam Wormley

Post by Pentcho Valev
Einstein himself does not know what his theory predicts. His followers uncover the predictions, confirm them experimentally and get the Nobel prize

Yes, now we look back a hundred years at those equations Einstein
published as say: Beautiful, Simple and Profound. :-)
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idiot parrot
those equations are
FITTING DATA TO FINDINGS
BY
88TRIAL AND ERROR
WITHOUT REALLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS GOING ON THERE
IT IS SORT OF
SHOOTING
AND THEN MARKING THE POINT OF HIT BY A CIRCLE
(AND NOT VICE VERSE !!
2

please tell us***a priory**
to which direction 'curved space **is going to curve ??

it is a question that a litle boy will tell you
we cant do it
yet
little Y Porat will tell you (blockhead parrot)
--IT WILL ALLAYS 'CURVES' IN THE DIRECTION OF SOME MASS !!
GOT IT WHAT DOES IT MEAN (MR BLOCKHEAD ??)
IT MEANS THAT
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MASS - THE ONLY MASS - IS THE MOTHER OF ALL FORCES
--INCLUDING GRAVITY !!!
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NO MASS - THE ONLY !!MASS - NO REAL PHYSICS !!
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2
Mr Pentco
do you agree with me ??
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TIA
Y.Porat
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ATB
Y.Porat
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[Pentcho Valev]

LIGO conspirators will have to "discover" only black-hole-merger gravitational waves in the future - "discovering" gravitational waves produced by a different source would be too dangerous:

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Integral_sets_limits_on_gamma_rays_from_merging_black_holes
"Models predict that the merging of two stellar-mass black holes would not produce light at any wavelength, but if one or two neutron stars were involved in the process, then a characteristic signature should be observable across the electromagnetic spectrum. Another possible source of gravitational waves would be an asymmetric supernova explosion, also known to emit light over a range of wavelengths. (...) Integral is sensitive to transient sources of high-energy emission over the whole sky, and thus a team of scientists searched through its data, seeking signs of a sudden burst of hard X-rays or gamma rays that might have been recorded at the same time as the gravitational waves were detected. "We searched through all the available Integral data, but did not find any indication of high-energy emission associated with the LIGO detection," says Volodymyr Savchenko of the François Arago Centre in Paris, France. Volodymyr is the lead author of a paper reporting the results, published today in Astrophysical Journal Letters. (...) Subsequent analysis of the LIGO data has shown that the gravitational waves were produced by a pair of coalescing black holes, each with a mass roughly 30 times that of our Sun, located about 1.3 billion light years away. Scientists do not expect to see any significant emission of light at any wavelength from such events, and thus Integral's null detection is consistent with this scenario. (...) The only exception was the Gamma-Ray Burst Monitor on NASA's Fermi Gamma-Ray Space Telescope, which observed what appears to be a sudden burst of gamma rays about 0.4 seconds after the gravitational waves were detected. The burst lasted about one second and came from a region of the sky that overlaps with the strip identified by LIGO. This detection sparked a bounty of theoretical investigations, proposing possible scenarios in which two merging black holes of stellar mass could indeed have released gamma rays along with the gravitational waves. However, if this gamma-ray flare had had a cosmic origin, either linked to the LIGO gravitational wave source or to any other astrophysical phenomenon in the Universe, it should have been detected by Integral as well. The absence of any such detection by both instruments on Integral suggests that the measurement from Fermi could be unrelated to the gravitational wave detection."

Pentcho Valev

[Sam Wormley]

Post by Pentcho Valev
LIGO conspirators will have to "discover" only black-hole-merger gravitational waves in the future

There are a number of other LIGO detections currently being
scrutinized, Pentcho. You should try to understand the process
of analyzing the data.

Relativity Rocks!

[Pentcho Valev]

An interesting question in StackExchange:

http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/247376/final-moment-of-the-black-hole-merger-in-the-ligo-publication-means-what
"The second paragraph of the LIGO publication talks about the "final moments of the black hole merger" and figure 3 assigns a time scale of less than a second for this to happen. This suggest that black holes merging is a split-second event like two cars crashing into each other. How does this fit with the derivation that an object falling into a black whole will take forever to reach the event horizon --- at least when measured in our frame of reference? Should this not even more be the case for one black hole falling into the other? I would have thought that in particular the "final moments" are stretched out to infinity. Can someone explain the particular meaning of these 0.45 seconds mentioned in the graph?"

Let's see what answers Einsteinians will give.

Pentcho Valev

[Pentcho Valev]

LIGO conspirators are getting even more enigmatic:

http://phys.org/news/2016-04-ligo-background-noise-due-gravity.html
"Prior to the landmark experiments that led to the detection of gravitational waves, researchers believed that there was likely a very nearly constant stream of background gravitational noise moving through the cosmos, generated by black holes and neutron stars merging, but had lacked any physical data that might allow them to estimate how much background noise might exist. With the detection of the gravitational waves that resulted from the merger of two binary black holes, the researchers suddenly found themselves with actual concrete data, which they have now used as a basis for calculating the likely amount of gravitational wave noise constantly bombarding our planet. To make predictions based on data from just one event, the team started with the assumption that the event that was measured was not one that was out of the ordinary... (...) Doing so, the team reports, indicated that there are likely 20 times as many black hole binaries out there as has been estimated, which suggests that there is likely 10 times as much gravitational noise than has been suspected. The team acknowledges that because their results are based on a data from just one event, their conclusions could be wrong, but, if they are right, they note, they should be able to detect them within just the next five years or so as the LIGO and Virgo detectors grow to full strength."

Why should "whopping big signals" (see below) be regarded as noise whose detection will be postponed for five years? If black hole binaries are so frequent, isn't it logical to have, without any delay, multiple detections like the one that allegedly occurred on 14 September 2015?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2016/feb/09/watch-this-spacetime-gravitational-wave-discovery-expected
"People are hugely excited. The rumour is that it's a whopping big signal, in other words, it's unambiguous, and that is fantastic," said Pedro Ferreira, professor of astrophysics at Oxford University, and author of the 2014 book, The Perfect Theory: a century of geniuses and the battle over general relativity."

Pentcho Valev

[Sam Wormley]

Post by Pentcho Valev
"Prior to the landmark experiments that led to the detection of
gravitational waves, researchers believed that there was likely a
very nearly constant stream of background gravitational noise moving
through the cosmos, generated by black holes and neutron stars
merging..."

Yes this is true.

LIGO researchers suggest background noise due to gravity waves may
be much greater than thought

Post by Pentcho Valev
http://phys.org/news/2016-04-ligo-background-noise-due-gravity.html
(Phys.org)—The research team working with the LIGO project has
proposed that the data gleaned from the discovery of gravity waves
last year allows for calculating the likely level of cosmic
background noise due to gravitational waves, and that it is much
greater than previous models have suggested. In their paper published
in Physical Review Letters, researchers with the LIGO Scientific
Collaboration along with a companion group from the Virgo
Collaboration, describe their reasoning behind their estimates and
why they believe they will be able to offer more support for their
theory within just a few years.

Our observable universe is a noise place.

[reber g=emc^2]

Post by Pentcho Valev
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hanoch-gutfreund/relatively-speaking_1_b_7314788.html
Hanoch Gutfreund: "The general theory of relativity predicts that time progresses slower in a stronger gravitational field than in a weaker one."
Actually the prediction is much more absurd than that: General relativity predicts that gravitational time dilation occurs even in a HOMOGENEOUS gravitational field ("the homogeneous gravitational field is the gravitational field which, in every point, has the same gradient of the potential. Such a field is produced by an infinite material plane with the constant surface density of mass"). That is, two clocks at different heights are in EXACTLY THE SAME immediate environment (experience EXACTLY THE SAME gravitational field) and yet one of them ticks faster than the other.
http://www.amazon.com/Relativity-Its-Roots-Banesh-Hoffmann/dp/0486406768
Banesh Hoffmann: "In an accelerated sky laboratory, and therefore also in the corresponding earth laboratory, the frequence of arrival of light pulses is lower than the ticking rate of the upper clocks even though all the clocks go at the same rate. (...) As a result the experimenter at the ceiling of the sky laboratory will see with his own eyes that the floor clock is going at a slower rate than the ceiling clock - even though, as I have stressed, both are going at the same rate. (...) The gravitational red shift does not arise from changes in the intrinsic rates of clocks. It arises from what befalls light signals as they traverse space and time in the presence of gravitation."
http://courses.physics.illinois.edu/phys419/sp2013/Lectures/l13.pdf
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign: "Consider a falling object. ITS SPEED INCREASES AS IT IS FALLING. Hence, if we were to associate a frequency with that object the frequency should increase accordingly as it falls to earth. Because of the equivalence between gravitational and inertial mass, WE SHOULD OBSERVE THE SAME EFFECT FOR LIGHT. So lets shine a light beam from the top of a very tall building. If we can measure the frequency shift as the light beam descends the building, we should be able to discern how gravity affects a falling light beam. This was done by Pound and Rebka in 1960. They shone a light from the top of the Jefferson tower at Harvard and measured the frequency shift. The frequency shift was tiny but in agreement with the theoretical prediction."
http://www.einstein-online.info/spotlights/redshift_white_dwarfs
Albert Einstein Institute: "One of the three classical tests for general relativity is the gravitational redshift of light or other forms of electromagnetic radiation. However, in contrast to the other two tests - the gravitational deflection of light and the relativistic perihelion shift -, you do not need general relativity to derive the correct prediction for the gravitational redshift. A combination of Newtonian gravity, a particle theory of light, and the weak equivalence principle (gravitating mass equals inertial mass) suffices. (...) The gravitational redshift was first measured on earth in 1960-65 by Pound, Rebka, and Snider at Harvard University..."
And since there is no gravitational time dilation, there are no gravitational waves either.
Pentcho Valev

Valev Good thinking.Gravity is a particle theory.Goes with "Mass Particle Density" All the way down. Thinking gravity waves takes you down a long tunnel with no light in the end. Trebert

[hanson]

<***@gmail.com> "reber g=emc^2" wrote
about his Gutter-physics "all the way down. Thinking
gravity waves takes Bert down a long tunnel with no
light in the end"... Pity

[HVAC]

reber g=emc^2
- show quoted text -
Valev Good thinking.Gravity is a particle theory.Goes with "Mass Particle Density" All the way down. Thinking gravity waves takes you down a long tunnel with no light in the end. Trebert
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Excellent Bert! So, using your mass particle density theory of gravitation, please calculate the Lagrangian distance earth to sun.

I'll wait right here

[Sam Wormley]

Post by reber g=emc^2
Thinking gravity waves takes you down a long tunnel with no light in the end.

Hey reber, you should get an education concerning general relativity

Post by reber g=emc^2
http://physics.aps.org/featured-article-pdf/10.1103/PhysRevLett.116.061102

[Pentcho Valev]

LIGO in trouble?

http://www.skeptic.com/upcoming-lectures/
Gravitational Waves, Black Holes and the Nature of the Cosmos, Event Date: Sunday, Apr. 10, 2016 at 2 pm, Speaker: Dr. Janna Levin, Tickets: $50 per individual (includes a reserved seat, autographed copy of the guest's book, hors d'oeuvres and wine).

https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/719250570280722432?lang=en
In case you missed earlier post: Janna Levin livestream today 2pm PST talking about black holes & gravity waves

Yesterday Janna Levin's talk was still advertised on youtube, there was a countdown video, but now there is nothing. Instead, the following article was published an hour ago:

https://aeon.co/essays/how-joe-weber-s-gravity-ripples-turned-out-to-be-all-noise
"How Joe Weber's gravity ripples turned out to be all noise" by Janna Levin. "This past February [2016], physicists working on the LIGO experiment reported the discovery of gravitational waves, spacetime ripples predicted by Einstein's general theory of relativity. It was instantly hailed as a sure bet for a Nobel Prize. But 47 years earlier, a now-forgotten pioneer wowed the world with exactly the same claim."

Pentcho Valev

[Sam Wormley]

Post by Pentcho Valev
LIGO in trouble?

LIGO is a new telescope on the universe, and productive it is, but
it does take a lot of time and work to extract the signals in a noisy
environment of signals.

Oh, and Pentcho, and don't forget that the speed of light is *always*
a constant.

[HVAC]

Pentcho Valev
LIGO in trouble?

http://www.skeptic.com/upcoming-lectures/
Gravitational Waves, Black Holes and the Nature of the Cosmos, Event Date: Sunday, Apr. 10, 2016 at 2 pm, Speaker: Dr. Janna Levin, Tickets: $50 per individual (includes a reserved seat, autographed copy of the guest's book, hors d'oeuvres and wine).

https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/719250570280722432?lang=en
In case you missed earlier post: Janna Levin livestream today 2pm PST talking about black holes & gravity waves http://youtu.be/Hoa8obIWDOc

Yesterday Janna Levin's talk was still advertised on youtube, there was a countdown video, but now there is nothing. Instead, the following article was published an hour ago:

https://aeon.co/essays/how-joe-weber-s-gravity-ripples-turned-out-to-be-all-noise
"How Joe Weber's gravity ripples turned out to be all noise" by Janna Levin. "This past February [2016], physicists working on the LIGO experiment reported the discovery of gravitational waves, spacetime ripples predicted by Einstein's general theory of relativity. It was instantly hailed as a sure bet for a Nobel Prize. But 47 years earlier, a now-forgotten pioneer wowed the world with exactly the same claim."

Pentcho Valev
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Hey Poncho.... You are in good company by not accepting the science of gravity wave detection.
BJ and Bert are both on your side.

Proud?

[benj]

Post by Pentcho Valev
Pentcho Valev
LIGO in trouble?
http://www.skeptic.com/upcoming-lectures/
Gravitational Waves, Black Holes and the Nature of the Cosmos, Event Date: Sunday, Apr. 10, 2016 at 2 pm, Speaker: Dr. Janna Levin, Tickets: $50 per individual (includes a reserved seat, autographed copy of the guest's book, hors d'oeuvres and wine).
https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/719250570280722432?lang=en
In case you missed earlier post: Janna Levin livestream today 2pm PST talking about black holes & gravity waves http://youtu.be/Hoa8obIWDOc
https://aeon.co/essays/how-joe-weber-s-gravity-ripples-turned-out-to-be-all-noise
"How Joe Weber's gravity ripples turned out to be all noise" by Janna Levin. "This past February [2016], physicists working on the LIGO experiment reported the discovery of gravitational waves, spacetime ripples predicted by Einstein's general theory of relativity. It was instantly hailed as a sure bet for a Nobel Prize. But 47 years earlier, a now-forgotten pioneer wowed the world with exactly the same claim."
Pentcho Valev
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Hey Poncho.... You are in good company by not accepting the science of gravity wave detection.
BJ and Bert are both on your side.
Proud?

You bet, Pincho. We want to see some actual proof beyond some noise
wiggles. All HVAC needs is an official press release and he believes
because he "knows" that governments NEVER lie to the people! That's what
happens when you base your science all on fantasy.
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[benj]

Post by Pentcho Valev
LIGO in trouble?
http://www.skeptic.com/upcoming-lectures/
Gravitational Waves, Black Holes and the Nature of the Cosmos, Event Date: Sunday, Apr. 10, 2016 at 2 pm, Speaker: Dr. Janna Levin, Tickets: $50 per individual (includes a reserved seat, autographed copy of the guest's book, hors d'oeuvres and wine).
https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/719250570280722432?lang=en
In case you missed earlier post: Janna Levin livestream today 2pm PST talking about black holes & gravity waves http://youtu.be/Hoa8obIWDOc
https://aeon.co/essays/how-joe-weber-s-gravity-ripples-turned-out-to-be-all-noise
"How Joe Weber's gravity ripples turned out to be all noise" by Janna Levin. "This past February [2016], physicists working on the LIGO experiment reported the discovery of gravitational waves, spacetime ripples predicted by Einstein's general theory of relativity. It was instantly hailed as a sure bet for a Nobel Prize. But 47 years earlier, a now-forgotten pioneer wowed the world with exactly the same claim."
Pentcho Valev

Gummint/MIT clowns proabably were aware and thought they could pull it
off again with nobody noticing!
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